Tim Howard

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Walken said:
he was playing well jags, but arteta was the one influencing how we played, a top class CM affects the team more than a top class CB i'd say
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Both are important. Stones has shown how much impact a good CB can have this season. Shame we don't have anyone in Arteta's (2009 form) class further up the pitch. Barkley is capable of it, just needs to be more productive and consistent.
 
tim cahill said:
Both are important. Stones has shown how much impact a good CB can have this season. Shame we don't have anyone in Arteta's (2009 form) class further up the pitch. Barkley is capable of it, just needs to be more productive and consistent.
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they can definately have a huge impact, especially a center halve of stones footballing abilities, just look at thiago silva and brazil with and without him at the world cup, for all the talk of neymar, silvas absence did for them, we essentially lost our spine with those two injuries
 

ilikecheese said:
Third most clean sheets in the club's history ;)

Sadly his worst season in a blue shirt...
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And there in lies the problem probably. Out of all the seasons where we really needed him to play a blinder and lead from the back, he's had an absolute nightmare and as bad a season as we could imagine.

Look at Distin, has played awful and has been brutally dropped from the squad. Should be no sentiment for seasoned pros and Howard should be currently gathering splinters himself atm but for whatever reason Martinez shoed him straight back in the side.

He save at 2-1 was crucial though, and that's the Tim Howard what we need and that's a pivotal moment in the game as a few minutes later we are 3-1 up and in the driving seat. Him being rooted to his line on crosses that are no more than 5 yards away are a serious issue though, that's creating immense pressure where there should be very little. There were 4 crosses no more than 4-6 yards from him and that's where you need to brave and confident as a keeper and take control. Unfortunately that's not going to be something he changes at this stage of his career.

I like him, he's been a cracking buy for the money we paid but we need to either give Joel a run or find a better replacement. Keepers need to win you 10 points a season, not lose you 10 points.
 
Azzurri said:
In that case he should have got in a position to see the ball.

One step left there and the problem's gone. He may still have scored, but it's the fundamentals and basics that I'm always going on about which he hasn't got.
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I can only tell you from my perspective as a mostly average schoolboy keeper who still likes to put on the gloves during a Saturday over 40 footie at the park...moving a step to either side is the last thing you want to do- then you are out of position and you know it. Once my vision is blocked, I yell out or try to move your head while keeping my feet central to cover either side. And Jags flashed out so close to the time the ball was struck he may not have had time to do either.

ilikecheese said:
I understand what you're saying...I can't win here. I didn't think his positioning wasn't all that bad, he was very central...Jags flashed in front of him just before the ball was kicked...like split second before...it was a good strike with a ton of bend, and he clearly didn't see it until it was well on it's way.
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The bad part of his positioning to me was that he was 5 yards off his line. The ball curled around him, there was no clear opportunity to cut the angle on. He created the shot.

Anyone know how YB got possession? Looks like Stones is an awful long way up the pitch. There had to be some sort of bad giveaway. When the ball is centered to 99, we had 6 shirts behind the ball, against 4 YB attackers and not one went to the goal scorer until he was already shooting. Stones ignores 99 as he runs back to the ball. Which is also what McCarthy and Coleman are doing ahead of him. Oviedo and Barry are marking (well may I add) the other two attackers. Jags plays it right, he had to go back to defend the path to goal for the attacking winger, which he effectively does.

Was Howard at fault- some, but football is such a team game and goals are rarely won or lost by one player. I don't know how the ball was turned over. I don't know what Stones was doing on this play and he did not help defend it in anyway to include being 30(20?) yards out of position to start then running past the eventual goal scorer leaving him unmarked, and finally standing in no man's land when the shot is struck.
But by all means, let's blame the keeper.
 
PeterPrinciple said:
I can only tell you from my perspective as a mostly average schoolboy keeper who still likes to put on the gloves during a Saturday over 40 footie at the park...moving a step to either side is the last thing you want to do- then you are out of position and you know it. Once my vision is blocked, I yell out or try to move your head while keeping my feet central to cover either side. And Jags flashed out so close to the time the ball was struck he may not have had time to do either.



The bad part of his positioning to me was that he was 5 yards off his line. The ball curled around him, there was no clear opportunity to cut the angle on. He created the shot.

Anyone know how YB got possession? Looks like Stones is an awful long way up the pitch. There had to be some sort of bad giveaway. When the ball is centered to 99, we had 6 shirts behind the ball, against 4 YB attackers and not one went to the goal scorer until he was already shooting. Stones ignores 99 as he runs back to the ball. Which is also what McCarthy and Coleman are doing ahead of him. Oviedo and Barry are marking (well may I add) the other two attackers. Jags plays it right, he had to go back to defend the path to goal for the attacking winger, which he effectively does.

Was Howard at fault- some, but football is such a team game and goals are rarely won or lost by one player. I don't know how the ball was turned over. I don't know what Stones was doing on this play and he did not help defend it in anyway to include being 30(20?) yards out of position to start then running past the eventual goal scorer leaving him unmarked, and finally standing in no man's land when the shot is struck.
But by all means, let's blame the keeper.
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It was a goal kick....headed on into space to the wing.
 

Think Howard will play out the year, and Robles will be happy to wait for his real chance assuming Howard might leave in the summer/next Jan?

Love timmy.
 
ilikecheese said:
It was a goal kick....headed on into space to the wing.
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Thank you, so Stones likely just got beat in the air and was not outrageously out of position. Just that nobody (he or Barry or Jags) picked up the guy he went in the air with. Also explains why Howard was still near the penalty spot when the ball arrives to the wing. Coleman was also well up the pitch, which may have thrown the rotations off as McCarthy would normally be in the area of the field the shot was taken from but was all the way back covering for Coleman as well.
 
PeterPrinciple said:
Thank you, so Stones likely just got beat in the air and was not outrageously out of position. Just that nobody (he or Barry or Jags) picked up the guy he went in the air with. Also explains why Howard was still near the penalty spot when the ball arrives to the wing. Coleman was also well up the pitch, which may have thrown the rotations off as McCarthy would normally be in the area of the field the shot was taken from but was all the way back covering for Coleman as well.
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....mate, if my auntie had a knob she'd be my uncle........ At the end of the day they scored ...no excuses can change that.
 

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