Toffeelover
Player Valuation: £80m
Last season was good for him as there was still the strong defence ethic inherited from our EX but this season that has been ditched hence our goals against is sky high.
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Last season was good for him as there was still the strong defence ethic inherited from our EX but this season that has been ditched hence our goals against is sky high.
moyeslovechild
Player Valuation: £15m
a manager who can't be pragmatic when its needed is a bad manager
Azza
Player Valuation: £80m
We've lost 15 points from leading positions this season so far - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-the-Premier-League-this-season-in-stats.html
So that's it, then.
A century of Everton history confined to the dustbin.
The "football of big Dunc" is the "football" of Andy Gray and Graham Sharp, of Joe Royle, of Tommy Lawton and the football of the legendary William Ralph.
Great leaders of the line in Everton trophy winning teams.
It is the football of Dave Hickson and Big Bob Latchford, boys who won nowt with us but who have become ingrained in the club's history and folklore.
There was more excitement generated by a couple of Andy Hinch corners being sent in for Big Dunc to attack in one game than we have seen at Goodison this past half dozen league games.
No matter what post modern, philosopher football coaches try to tell you, the only stat that matters is in the little box at the top of the TV screen which shows how many goals have been scored.
And a goal scored off the left cheek of a centre forward's arse counts evey bit as much as a "No. 10" dinking the ball home after 326 passes up and down the length of the pitch half a dozen times.
Yes, there is room for tiki taki.....but it needs to be mixed up with traditional hoofball if the occasion demands it.
Madrid don't have any philosophical hang ups about knocking it long to Big Ben.....Chelsea don't pass it back from the edge of the opposition box to their goalie when nowt looks on, they load the box and knock it in for Cup of Coffee and his mates.
But then Jose has never been about trying to re-invent the wheel
K
Klaas
Guest
Spot onSo that's it, then.
A century of Everton history confined to the dustbin.
The "football of big Dunc" is the "football" of Andy Gray and Graham Sharp, of Joe Royle, of Tommy Lawton and the football of the legendary William Ralph.
Great leaders of the line in Everton trophy winning teams.
It is the football of Dave Hickson and Big Bob Latchford, boys who won nowt with us but who have become ingrained in the club's history and folklore.
There was more excitement generated by a couple of Andy Hinch corners being sent in for Big Dunc to attack in one game than we have seen at Goodison this past half dozen league games.
No matter what post modern, philosopher football coaches try to tell you, the only stat that matters is in the little box at the top of the TV screen which shows how many goals have been scored.
And a goal scored off the left cheek of a centre forward's arse counts evey bit as much as a "No. 10" dinking the ball home after 326 passes up and down the length of the pitch half a dozen times.
Yes, there is room for tiki taki.....but it needs to be mixed up with traditional hoofball if the occasion demands it.
Madrid don't have any philosophical hang ups about knocking it long to Big Ben.....Chelsea don't pass it back from the edge of the opposition box to their goalie when nowt looks on, they load the box and knock it in for Cup of Coffee and his mates.
But then Jose has never been about trying to re-invent the wheel
So that's it, then.
A century of Everton history confined to the dustbin.
The "football of big Dunc" is the "football" of Andy Gray and Graham Sharp, of Joe Royle, of Tommy Lawton and the football of the legendary William Ralph.
Great leaders of the line in Everton trophy winning teams.
It is the football of Dave Hickson and Big Bob Latchford, boys who won nowt with us but who have become ingrained in the club's history and folklore.
There was more excitement generated by a couple of Andy Hinch corners being sent in for Big Dunc to attack in one game than we have seen at Goodison this past half dozen league games.
No matter what post modern, philosopher football coaches try to tell you, the only stat that matters is in the little box at the top of the TV screen which shows how many goals have been scored.
And a goal scored off the left cheek of a centre forward's arse counts evey bit as much as a "No. 10" dinking the ball home after 326 passes up and down the length of the pitch half a dozen times.
Yes, there is room for tiki taki.....but it needs to be mixed up with traditional hoofball if the occasion demands it.
Madrid don't have any philosophical hang ups about knocking it long to Big Ben.....Chelsea don't pass it back from the edge of the opposition box to their goalie when nowt looks on, they load the box and knock it in for Cup of Coffee and his mates.
But then Jose has never been about trying to re-invent the wheel
Certainly wasn't. Seen all the above apart from Dixie and Tommy Lawton and our type of football. The Big Dunc football I refer to is (as you quite well know) was the total bypass of the midfield and the excessive use of Wimbledon style football, simply get it up to big dunc. Seems you are an advocate of the percentage hit and hope the big fellah gets it. Corner kicks have generally been the same through the ages and will not change and no need for it to change.
I have watched Everton from the late 60's onwards and our successful teams played football with a mixture. Football with a mixture is defo not 'Big Dunc' footy. As much as I liked Dunc and no fault lays with him it made it so much easier for others to lump it and that is what we became to an extent.
More successful football is played on the ground nowadays as times have moved on. We still have a little hoofball re: Jags.
To try and twist a few words into me slagging the history of Everton is a bit of a spin and very feeble indeed.
Seamus Colemole
Previously deathbyropeandglass
Thats the key point in bold. Mixture.
What we're doing now isn't mixture. Its pass it around and keep posession. Well it was when teams sat off and allowed us to.
Now its pass it around and keep posession until teams put pressure on us, then they either get the ball back in dangerous positions around our area or they get it back when we boot it long.
All in the name of keeping posession that means we lose posession. All for playing a certain style regardless of cost then saying that style of football doesn't win and lose games. It doesn't. Players being able to play or not play a certain style wins and loses games.
Right now 4 of our defensive unit cannot play the style the manager is asking us to play when the opposition pressure them. Yet they're still playing it because of a belief that that style wins games. It doesn't. That style with the right players wins games.
streeky
Player Valuation: £35m
Glad you mentioned the defence ethic. I think I reached burnout discussing things this week, the problem is the only people who can answer our questions is RM and his coaching team. I have been thinking back to pre season where RM massively under prepared the team to allow for the vigour's of a long EL season. I am just wondering now if this lack of pressing /standing off is a anti burn out exercise. I can't believe fit 21 year olds like ross Barkley would just let players run past them without even trying to challenge unless they were told to not track back. ( just a idea going through my head so don't go ballistic on my ass)
So I will say it again.
You are wanting to bin Everton history and write off the contribution of all our great centre forward's from Dean to Dunc.
You say our great teams played with a "mixture"
Which is correct.
So did our team when Dunc was in his pomp.....he had boys like Anders Limpar and Andre Kanchelsjs doing for him what Dave Thomas did for Big Bob or John Morrissy did for Joe.
Joe Parkinson was awesome in our midfield in the mid 90s.....he was never bypassed.
It is a complete fiction to say we played like Wimbledon and bypassed midfield in Dunc's day.
Unfortunately devotees of tiki taki are so blinded by it they regard those of us less enamoured with this strange art as being "dinosaurs".
Divil the bit.
We don't want to sit at Goodidon on freezing cold winter days being "educated" and bored in equal amounts.
We want to see our team compete.....and if that means Ty Rex firing it in for Big Bronty Saurus to knock it in the back of the cave then be it so
Seamus Colemole
Previously deathbyropeandglass
We want to see our team compete.....and if that means Ty Rex firing it in for Big Bronty Saurus to knock it in the back of the cave then be it so
I've always said i couldn't care less what type of football we play or how we score goals, as long as we do and win games thats all that matters to me.
Winning comes first, everything else after that.
I used to moan when Moyes had us playing hoofball with the defenders playing long balls up to 5'10" players competing with big defenders. Not because it looked bad but because it was wasteful and ineffective.
Especially as we had talented ball players getting sore necks in midfield.
Play the best system for the players you have. Not the players you don't have.
Duncan Disordely
Player Valuation: £35m
Some interesting stats in here
http://www.theguardian.com/football...s-premier-league-statistics-manchester-united
http://www.theguardian.com/football...s-premier-league-statistics-manchester-united
Chelsea are fifth in the possession statistics, behind City, United, Arsenal and Everton.
Incidentally, N’Zonzi has also made the fifth most passes, which is a sign of Stoke City’s evolution under Mark Hughes, although the midfielder is not in the top five for the most successful passes. Gareth Barry (1,034) and Phil Jagielka (965), which is absolutely terrific news for Roberto Martínez, but the three most accurate passers are Fàbregas (1,367), Touré (1,324) and Matic (1,065).
Interestingly, West Ham, playing to the strengths of their forwards, and Southampton have been the most prolific crossers (380 and 366 respectively) and Chelsea and Everton have been the least prolific (228 and 225 respectively).
There is work to do for Everton – their players have been caught offside 49 times, while Newcastle, a counterattacking side, are propping everyone else up. The flag has only been raised against them 22 times.
Down at the bottom, Burnleyhave made 299 tackles and Everton could probably do with getting stuck in a bit more. They have made only 316 tackles and – this is not necessarily related – have been fouled the most times (246).
Everton, who have made the most errors that have directly led to a goal (10), and Leicester have only kept three. Burnley, Chelsea, United and Stoke have only made one. Maybe United’s defence is not so bad after all.
kenada_blue
Welcome to Barcelonaton FC
So I will say it again.
You are wanting to bin Everton history and write off the contribution of all our great centre forward's from Dean to Dunc.
You say our great teams played with a "mixture"
Which is correct.
So did our team when Dunc was in his pomp.....he had boys like Anders Limpar and Andre Kanchelsjs doing for him what Dave Thomas did for Big Bob or John Morrissy did for Joe.
Joe Parkinson was awesome in our midfield in the mid 90s.....he was never bypassed.
It is a complete fiction to say we played like Wimbledon and bypassed midfield in Dunc's day.
Unfortunately devotees of tiki taki are so blinded by it they regard those of us less enamoured with this strange art as being "dinosaurs".
Divil the bit.
We don't want to sit at Goodidon on freezing cold winter days being "educated" and bored in equal amounts.
We want to see our team compete.....and if that means Ty Rex firing it in for Big Bronty Saurus to knock it in the back of the cave then be it so
We never mixed it up either in big Duncs era.
It was all fight relying on 1 player to add a bit of class. Kanchelskis was miles ahead of any attacking player we had and it showed.
Before that mid 90s side we had a team full of footballers as well as graft and fight.
BigBlueConk
Player Valuation: £70m
Wouldn't it be great if we could win a few games in a row.
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