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davek said:
Absolutely spot on. It'd take a brave manager backed by a chairman giving the assurance they wont bend to criticism from fans.

TBH though, I look at the strength of this league and think that if we put in three or four new faces surrounded by our experienced and talented PL players the project wouldn't be a disaster. Has Browning or Stones given the impression they cant handle it? I dont think so. Grant was ok on the summer tour last year and he looks like he can push on with a chance. Galloway has playing experience, it'd be less of a culture shock for him than many think. I'd also like to see more of Long. Has he got the movement required to go with a finish?

I dont know about you, but I'd applaud any decision to give up the chance to retain the 7th place trophy in order to take a long look at what we have below say 16 first teamers we know all about.
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Fantastic post Davo.
 

davek said:
I like the idea of using a fallow season to blood players on the periphery. We wont be getting a CL place and I see no benefit in using up a lot of energy from established players already stretched by 4 competitions to secure a high-ish top half position.

It would take a manager with real courage to now turn to his squad and decide that everyone in it would get extensive time in the first team and make good use of the rest of the season in that way. But it could save the club a fortune in transfer fees next summer if one or two from the likes of Galloway, Browning, Garbutt, McAleny, Long, Grant etc proved themselves as first teamers.

I'd love to see that bravery, buy sadly supporters wouldn't wear it by and large. Why, I dont know. There's no distinction in finishing top half of the table. None whatsoever.
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What i love about you Dave, no sarcasm, is that you can write the most ridiculous posts on here and because you throw in decent language and have a bit of style to the way you present your opinions people actually start to agree with you. You are compelling and I think its a talent, definitely.

The proposition though of throwing the league 7 games in because we haven't hit the heights that we all hoped in simply proposterous.

Strangely, you say that its a poor league yet give us no hope of achieving anything this season when it comes to the league. Its that not contradictory?

And what of the 16 players you talk of, that do not need to prove anything? Do you honestly believe - strong manager/chairman regardless - that they would continue to be our players if we throw the league this season? What message is that to the likes of Coleman, Baines, Barkley? "Listen lads, the first 7 games havent gone well, yeah I know we've had injuries to our best players but from now on we are going to play the kids in the hope that one or two of them save us a few quid next summer."

So what happens next season Dave, if we have a poor start? Chuck it in again?

Spurs, Liverpool, and to a lesser extent Arsenal are all struggling to find their groove this season, and make no mistake our form is worrying, but asking anyone involved in the club to consider the proposition of, i repeat, throwing the league after 7 games is the most ridiculous idea i have ever heard in my life.

Not that you care, but I have lost all trust that you actually are anything more than a serial pop-corner.
 

mkrudden said:
What i love about you Dave, no sarcasm, is that you can write the most ridiculous posts on here and because you throw in decent language and have a bit of style to the way you present your opinions people actually start to agree with you. You are compelling and I think its a talent, definitely.

The proposition though of throwing the league 7 games in because we haven't hit the heights that we all hoped in simply proposterous.

Strangely, you say that its a poor league yet give us no hope of achieving anything this season when it comes to the league. Its that not contradictory?

And what of the 16 players you talk of, that do not need to prove anything? Do you honestly believe - strong manager/chairman regardless - that they would continue to be our players if we throw the league this season? What message is that to the likes of Coleman, Baines, Barkley? "Listen lads, the first 7 games havent gone well, yeah I know we've had injuries to our best players but from now on we are going to play the kids in the hope that one or two of them save us a few quid next summer."

So what happens next season Dave, if we have a poor start? Chuck it in again?

Spurs, Liverpool, and to a lesser extent Arsenal are all struggling to find their groove this season, and make no mistake our form is worrying, but asking anyone involved in the club to consider the proposition of, i repeat, throwing the league after 7 games is the most ridiculous idea i have ever heard in my life.

Not that you care, but I have lost all trust that you actually are anything more than a serial pop-corner.
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Agree that this would be a crazy idea both for the reasons that you have stated above and also because it would actually be bad for the youngsters too. Most young players need the time and space to develop (esp. in that 16-21 time frame). They need to be able to play in U18s and U21s and make plenty of mistakes. It is notable that both managers (Sheedy & Unsworth) regularly state that they are far more interested in performance than results per-se. When they are ready to join the first team then they (generally) should be introduced gradually and not thrown in at the deep end and given a baptism of fire. That is how RM has/is handling the younger players. We have quite a few in the team already or on the fringe who will come through soon I am sure. I am sure within a couple of seasons we will have a team packed with academy/youth players.
 
mkrudden said:
I have lost all trust that you actually are anything more than a serial pop-corner.
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Dave's a classical utopian. All that falls short is poor, hence the characterization of the league. His view is shaded to clear the decks of that which is old and proves to be inadequate to the task. In youth and newness there is hope to grow closer to perfection. Dave is many things, but not a popcorn artist. I'm a popcorn artist, and I know the difference. We all live in hope, but Dave does it more than most of us. His eye is on the prize.

I think it is a bunch of hooey about 90% of the time, but Dave is very consistent and articulate in making his case.
 

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