Leighton Baines

Azzurri · October 27, 2013

BlueLlama said:
Bit harsh but he does look to lightweight to be a proper defender

He really is. Did well in his start against Norwich but has done nothing since and gets knocked over by a breeze. I'd put Distin or Stones at left back in front of him.

micknick · October 27, 2013

God it's so boring when our own fans write off our players when they've seen them play for about 14 minutes.

Azzurri · October 27, 2013

micknick said:
God it's so boring when our own fans write off our players when they've seen them play for about 14 minutes.

25+ appearances, mostly as a substitute like but still. It's also equally boring when people are overly positive and think everyone's boss when they're not. Some players just aren't up to it at the moment or in certain positions, and if you play them rather than look for replacements it'll cost points.

BlueLlama · October 27, 2013

I'm not writing him off at all, I just see him as a midfielder rather than a defender unless he bulks up a bit.

Brennan · October 27, 2013

micknick said:
God it's so boring when our own fans write off our players when they've seen them play for about 14 minutes.

He's played less than 4 full games worth of footy for us.

We must have pyar scouts in our fanbase.

Brennan · October 27, 2013

Azzurri said:
25+ appearances, mostly as a substitute like but still. It's also equally boring when people are overly positive and think everyone's boss when they're not. Some players just aren't up to it at the moment or in certain positions, and if you play them rather than look for replacements it'll cost points.

On 85 minutes
On 79 minutes
On 84 minutes
On 79 minutes
Started (Funnily enough the game you mentioned where he was good)
On 61 minutes
On 73 minutes
On 88 minutes

etc.

Judging him off those kinds of appearances is crazy.

Azzurri · October 27, 2013

Brennan said:
He's played less than 4 full games worth of footy for us.

We must have pyar scouts in our fanbase.

Doesn't take more than 4 games to figure out someone's about 3 stone and can't tackle though, does it?

Brownie · October 27, 2013

It's not really boring is it. Oh, what's that, someone's opinion on a player, how tedious, I certainly won't be paying any attention to that.

Brennan · October 27, 2013

Azzurri said:
Doesn't take more than 4 games to figure out someone's about 3 stone and can't tackle though, does it?

Seamus Coleman.

Azzurri · October 27, 2013

Brennan said:
Seamus Coleman.

What about him?

Brennan · October 27, 2013

Azzurri said:
What about him?

Seem to recall you saying he was gash defensively after seeing him play for a lot more than Oviedo.

If he can become the player he is then why can't Oviedo improve ? That's if he's as bad as you seem to think, which is debatable to say the least.

Azzurri · October 27, 2013

Brennan said:
Seem to recall you saying he was gash defensively after seeing him play for a lot more than Oviedo.

If he can become the player he is then why can't Oviedo improve ? That's if he's as bad as you seem to think, which is debatable to say the least.

Oh look, I got it wrong on one player, my opinion on all others must be invalid.

Incidentally Coleman didn't play at full back until Moyes thought the defensive side of his game had improved, and still looked ropey the first few months. While Oviedo can improve, of course, and is technically sound, we can't afford to let him improve while in the first team at full back right now because it'll cost us too many points in what looks like it could be a promising season.

micknick · October 27, 2013

Brownie said:
It's not really boring is it. Oh, what's that, someone's opinion on a player, how tedious, I certainly won't be paying any attention to that.

What a strange thing to say