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Rags back paging it tomorrow. Another £15mill bid from United.
Yeah... That'll sort em out for that 6th place trophy
Yeah... That'll sort em out for that 6th place trophy
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TomDixie
Player Valuation: £20m
A laughable valuation.
paulbefc
Player Valuation: £60m
I'd say £20m is a relatively reasonable price for him given the fact he'll be 29. However, as it's January and United are looking like our rivals this year, lash another £5m on it and don't accept anything less.
The other option is to not sell at any price, but if he wants to go and there's a reasonable offer, he's a top fella who's been ever-present and always quality for us, so we should let him go and push for Shaw (unlikely) or another good replacement.
It'll horrible if he does go, like.
The other option is to not sell at any price, but if he wants to go and there's a reasonable offer, he's a top fella who's been ever-present and always quality for us, so we should let him go and push for Shaw (unlikely) or another good replacement.
It'll horrible if he does go, like.
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
Simple fact mate is that we shouldn't even entertain a bid for any player until the summer now, definately not of a rival and in no way shape or form should we deal with united again for a few years
No chance on shaw btw, southampton are i think the third wealthiest club in the country now, based on owners wealth etc, and their seriously backed by him too
CahillsCornerFlag
Player Valuation: £70m
Well they might go back in for Coentrao.
If they come back in for him, I'd want £20m. It'd cost the best part of £10m to replace him with a very good player let alone a quality one. Then again, with the 10 or so million left over from the summer what we could do is find the new Seamus Coleman for left back and spooge £25m on Benteke.
*switches off FM*
If they come back in for him, I'd want £20m. It'd cost the best part of £10m to replace him with a very good player let alone a quality one. Then again, with the 10 or so million left over from the summer what we could do is find the new Seamus Coleman for left back and spooge £25m on Benteke.
*switches off FM*
If he was staying then he'd have signed a contract by now.
Sad that he may be wanting a move to United with how things are but he's been boss for Everton so as long as we get an overinflated price then it could be worse.
Would rather he stayed like.
Sad that he may be wanting a move to United with how things are but he's been boss for Everton so as long as we get an overinflated price then it could be worse.
Would rather he stayed like.
paulbefc
Player Valuation: £60m
Baines has done everything 100% right on the pitch for our club, off it and also has acted superbly in the face of interest and bids from United in the past. The least we can do is match him on that. He wanted to go in the summer and we said no because the offers weren't good enough. That's fine, it's our prerogative.
However, if the offer is reasonable, we would be utter c*nts to stand in his way. The price will be inflated due to the fact we're half way through a season, but there is and has to be a price.
I am not sure about this, Paul.
I agree with everything you say about Baines's behaviour and also that every player has his price.
However, if January comes and we are involved in a fight for a CL spot with United then I suggest we would be mad to allow them to strengthen by selling them a player whose absence would weaken our team.
Furthermore, I couldn't see Roberto allowing it.
And whilst EFC oughtn't be c*nts about a move, Bill Kenwright must tell him that we are putting the needs and ambitions of our club above his. I think Leighton would be level headed enough to understand that fact.
After all, that's what United told Chelsea when they enquired about Rooney in the summer.
I think Leighton will be told he can't leave for OT until the end of the season and that the club won't stand in his way at that time.
And by that time who knows?
It might be Everton in the CL and United playing in the Thursday Night Cup and he might think it better to stay here
I agree with everything you say about Baines's behaviour and also that every player has his price.
However, if January comes and we are involved in a fight for a CL spot with United then I suggest we would be mad to allow them to strengthen by selling them a player whose absence would weaken our team.
Furthermore, I couldn't see Roberto allowing it.
And whilst EFC oughtn't be c*nts about a move, Bill Kenwright must tell him that we are putting the needs and ambitions of our club above his. I think Leighton would be level headed enough to understand that fact.
After all, that's what United told Chelsea when they enquired about Rooney in the summer.
I think Leighton will be told he can't leave for OT until the end of the season and that the club won't stand in his way at that time.
And by that time who knows?
It might be Everton in the CL and United playing in the Thursday Night Cup and he might think it better to stay here
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
I differ on that mate, and whilst he has been nothing but a model pro for us, i don't buy into this lark lately of not standing in a players way, he is under contract to us, being payed more per week than 99% of us on here will earn in a year, so sorry if my heart doesnt bleed for him that he wont get the chance to play for such an illustrious club as United, he's under contract and regardless of who he wants to play for he is an everton player and all the rest is media bull**** fed by uniteds pr department, look at suarez over the road, how dare the ****e keep him against his wishes, for once on that regard we should take a leaf out of their book
paulbefc
Player Valuation: £60m
I am not sure about this, Paul.
I agree with everything you say about Baines's behaviour and also that every player has his price.
However, if January comes and we are involved in a fight for a CL spot with United then I suggest we would be mad to allow them to strengthen by selling them a player whose absence would weaken our team.
Furthermore, I couldn't see Roberto allowing it.
And whilst EFC oughtn't be c*nts about a move, Bill Kenwright must tell him that we are putting the needs and ambitions of our club above his. I think Leighton would be level headed enough to understand that fact.
After all, that's what United told Chelsea when they enquired about Rooney in the summer.
I think Leighton will be told he can't leave for OT until the end of the season and that the club won't stand in his way at that time.
And by that time who knows?
It might be Everton in the CL and United playing in the Thursday Night Cup and he might think it better to stay here
I don't 100% disagree with any of that, however:
The first bolded part is the reason why any price would be considerably higher than it would be in the summer.
As regards to the second, we stood in his way last summer for good reason. He is going on 29, has won nothing, has a quite frankly ridiculously small number of England caps to his name when you consider his ability and consistency over the last 4/5 years (and is still not considered first choice by many, laughably) and has barely played any European football, which is also a joke.
IF and only if the offer is huge and we aren't looking very, very good in the CL race, I believe we have to let him go. I can't see anyone coming in for him again after this window, tbh. United will probably solve their LB issue this window, Baines or not.
paulbefc
Player Valuation: £60m
Contracts mean nothing these days bar higher price tags.
Baines' situation cannot be compared to Suarez', full stop. Suarez showed no respect to Liverpool in the summer, or indeed previously to it, is only 26 or something, has a sh*tload of caps etc and tbf, actually did owe Liverpool something. The exact opposite is true with Baines. We've been lucky (considering the current state of the game) to have someone as professional and loyal as Leighton Baines here for so long. If he hadn't been so loyal, he'd have gone the summer before last when he had the chance and thus wouldn't be here and this conversation wouldn't be taking place.
I will also add Suarez knew damn well he was being a b*astard to the sh*te and that he owed them and so could understand their stance and could still play just as well as before the transfer request. I wonder how Baines would feel if we stopped him making the move he wants for the second time and I wonder if it would affect his performance. It'd affect anyone's opinion of their employers.
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And that could well turn out to be the mother of all false economies.
So we get an extra 5 or 6 million for him in January than we would in the summer?
But in doing so lose out on a CL place which would generate maybe 30 million in extra revenue. Or more even.
No sir, hoping to squeeze an extra few million in January is totally no reason to sell.
It's time to be bold.
The only reason Baines has no more than a "ridiculously small number" if England caps is because for the last ten years England have had a better left back in front of him.
In fact, probably the best in the world for a few years circa 2006 ish.
One Ashley Cole.
If Ashley hadn't been around, Leighton would have had over 50 caps by now, I am sure.
And that is more or less what myself and others are saying.
In January, if Everton are involved in a CL chase with United then we tell them to do one.
It's a no brainer, Paul.
EFC are more important than Leighton Baines and we have made the man a multi millionaire over the past numbet of years and he is under contract to us so we do what is right by our club, not any individual player.
That's what I think anyway.....other people may feel differently and that is their right.
paulbefc
Player Valuation: £60m
I'm all for being bold if we've got a leg to stand on. At the moment we haven't and for us to be in the top 4 by January is a hell of an ask. It's probably not going to happen.
Ashley Cole has most certainly not been better than Baines for the last ten years. He's been second best to our man since circa 2010. If Baines had been playing at United for the last 5 years, he'd have 50 caps by now. Baines having been better than Cole for the last few years and getting picked a handful of times shows clear as day that the club you play for matters and that recent England managers have been ignoring a superior player.
Well yeah, but we've been involved in plenty of "CL chases" and haven't delivered since 2005 and haven't even been remotely close come final day. Unless we're in that top 4 and going great guns in January, we're almost definitely not getting top 4 as we have a smaller squad than those around us. If we forced him to stay, he could well get pissed off and his performances could suffer, thus making our job harder.
If we then didn't get CL, we'd have a pissed off player whose value would have plummeted due to his contract going into its last year, his age and common knowledge that he wants to leave and we're selling. There's also a decent chance we'd have a very taxing EL campaign to prepare for, which'd require investment with much less money (I could see Baines going for buttons next summer). We'd have to replace Baines and Lukaku in the same window with only one fee coming in for them, before growing the squad while the teams around us splash the cash again. I.e. the gamble is nowhere near as favourable to us as you've made out. There's plenty that could go wrong too.
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