moyes

[Dutch Toffee]

Jesus Christ, he is honestly the only man that could have done what Moyes has done. Not 1 of the "top" managers could have done what he has done. He has taken a club that was down on its knees and he got them numerous top 6 finishes, all for 2m a season.

All the best managers in the game, you tell me who could have done that? It sickens me when ppl say "I dnt care if Moyes leaves". Yes hes made mistakes, but hes made me proud to be an Evertonian. The saying "You dont know what uve got till its gone", i honestly hope that his doubters never have to feel that.

Fully agree with all of that!

 

[Neiler]

There's no doubting he's done a good job in getting us to the level we where at last season. He's lifted the club in many aspects and improved us alot.

Just because he got us these players does not mean he's the only manager who can work with them. Lots of managers could, there's no reason why we'd be [Poor language removed] just because David Moyes has left the club. There are lots of managers out there who could've done a similar job, Sam Allardyce did a similar job at Bolton with far less money to work with. He's a good manager, he isn't a special or unreplaceble manager.

What we've got to do is forget all this, we shouldn't be looking back at the past. We should be looking to the future and David Moyes should be producing the results and getting us into European competition. I want him to prove himself consistently. Not get us into Europe one season, have a poor season, get us into Europe again then get knocked out at the first hurdle.

That isn't consistency. I want to see him producing the goods, if he does that then he deserves to stay.

Harsh mate, i think history will prove what a good job both he and Bill have done!

Its an intresting perspective, has Davie Moyes outgrown Everton or are have Everton out groown Davey Moyes?

Unfortunatnely i think the first is more apt.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

Harsh mate, i think history will prove what a good job both he and Bill have done!

Its an intresting perspective, has Davie Moyes outgrown Everton or are have Everton out groown Davey Moyes?

Unfortunatnely i think the first is more apt.

What's harsh about it?

David Moyes hasn't outgrown Everton, if that was the case then he'd be looking for bigger and better things. The best he'd get is Celtic or Newcastle, I wouldn't call either a step forward.

It's his team at the end of the day, he's got us knocked out of Europe at the first hurdle and we've been playing hoofball for a while now. He needs to improve, we need some consistency.

 

[coyney]

I have not said I dont want Moyse here,because he has done a good job ,but in all honesty I think we are as big and as good as a job he will ever have,and likewise at the moment he is the best manager we could attract which is why I think he will stay

 

[Dutch Toffee]

I have not said I dont want Moyse here,because he has done a good job ,but in all honesty I think we are as big and as good as a job he will ever have,and likewise at the moment he is the best manager we could attract which is why I think he will stay

For the moment I agree with that. Only when Everton do get taken over and he gets the chance to compete with the big boys financially, and starts winning silverware he has any chance of getting noticed by the elite. It's only than, when being on the same level in the playing field, we can really judge his capabillities of running a top European club. On the other hand, I very much doubt it if SAF, Wenger or Benitez would have had the same impact on Everton, David Moyes quite clearly has had.

 

[Neiler]

What's harsh about it?

David Moyes hasn't outgrown Everton, if that was the case then he'd be looking for bigger and better things. The best he'd get is Celtic or Newcastle, I wouldn't call either a step forward.

It's his team at the end of the day, he's got us knocked out of Europe at the first hurdle and we've been playing hoofball for a while now. He needs to improve, we need some consistency.

I know most of what you say is borne out of frustration mate, and i think its easy to to look to target things for change or scape goat if you will. Certianly things can be improved on, but that could be said of any team in the country. The fact that you say lets stop looking at the past lets look to the future, is really short sighted. What your looking at is pedigree and ability to decvelop and progress and looking at what a manger has done to secure and improve things long term cant be ignored his success in terms of longevity and past ability builds confidence and beleif in terms of the future and a relsolution of our current woes, certinly my opinion may be different if this was his first season. The fact that other managers may be be able to come in and offer something different is possibly ture but at the same time naieve. I mean the man just hasnt built a team hes built a club, i cant think of anyone else out there with that ability who would be better for Everton then moyes? So the fact that we have played what a maximum of ten games not to a standard we've come to expect is the hallmark of our success rather failure and a strong sense of what moyes has given us in recent seasons in a sense of pride and expectation again. I dont believe anyone else could have done what he has done but thats opinion it cant be proven. In many ways i think your being really unapprecitve and shows how spoiled we have become on the back of Moyes success.

Secondly i ask myself the question if Moyes got the oppurtunity to manage one of the CL clubs do i think he would be successfull, without a doubht i do. I know you probably dont but its all about opinions. I mean is Benitez a better manager then moyes and he won the bloody thing. In terms of how things stand at the moment, can the club provide Moyes with the tools to get top four im not sure they can, do i beleive Moyes has the managerial ability to build a team of getting into the top four if given the tools, absolutley hes done it before, so from that view point is a time approaching where i think David Moyes has hit the glass ceiling with Everton?Yes i do and i thnk that frustration will see him leave the club. I hope not but if i had to come down with a likely scenario that would be it! Your comments and many others on this forum are built on frustration of threading water as a team and club presently we are fans imagine how frustrating it must be to be the manager and i found the artivle in NOTW today depressing.

I really cant get my head around your view point on this mate, which is strange cos your more often then not bang on, but frankly your very wrong in a lot of what you wirte on this subject!

 

[coyney]

For the moment I agree with that. Only when Everton do get taken over and he gets the chance to compete with the big boys financially, and starts winning silverware he has any chance of getting noticed by the elite. It's only than, when being on the same level in the playing field, we can really judge his capabillities of running a top European club. On the other hand, I very much doubt it if SAF, Wenger or Benitez would have had the same impact on Everton, David Moyes quite clearly has had.

Agreed none of them would look at a job with no decent transfer budget

 

[Brownie]

The main reason I see for Moyes staying is one he's mentioned himself; player loyalty. Most of our good players were given a chance by Moyes and they feel indebted to him. And Moyes has said he feels responsible for them in one way or another. Given that we don't have the funds to buy a new team (and I think most of our players would be undervalued in the transfer market), losing Moyes would probably mean also losing most of our best players for not much money. All we'd see then is a situation similar to when Moyes took over, albeit with the important difference of the ethos he's instilled within the club (good league finishes, new facilities etc.). We might luck upon a really good foreign manager who gets us playing good football, or we might get a series of idiots who mess up the club. Or we might get a slow and steady Moyes-alike. Whatever happens with new managers though, if Moyes goes, certain players go too and for a club like us the rebuilding process would take ****in' ages.

So I think it's best that we stick with him. It's frustrating, because the things he needs to improve on don't appear particularly difficult to implement, but right now we just have too much to lose. It's a shame we're in such fearful times.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

I know most of what you say is borne out of frustration mate, and i think its easy to to look to target things for change or scape goat if you will. Certianly things can be improved on, but that could be said of any team in the country. The fact that you say lets stop looking at the past lets look to the future, is really short sighted. What your looking at is pedigree and ability to decvelop and progress and looking at what a manger has done to secure and improve things long term cant be ignored. The fact the tother managers may be be able to come in and offer something different is possibly ture but at the same time naieve. I mean the man just hasnt built a team hes built a club. So the fact that we have played what a maximum of seven games not to a standard we've come to expect is the hallmark of success rather failure and a strong sense of what moyes has given us in recent seasons is a sense of pride and expectation again. I dont believe anyone else could done what he has done but thats opinion it cant be proven. In many ways i think your being really unapprecitve and shows how spoiled we have become on the back of Moyes success.

Secondly i ask myself the question if Moyes got the oppurtunity to manage one of the CL clubs do i think he would be successfull, without a doubht i do. I know you probably dont but its all about opinions. In terms of how things stand at the moment, can the club provide Moyes with the tools to get top four im not sure they can, do i beleive Moyes has the managerial ability to build a team of getting into the top four if given the tools absolutley so form that view point is a time approaching where i think David Moyes has hit the glass ceiling with Everton?Yes i do and i thnk that frustration will see him leave the club. I hope not but if i had to come down with a likely scenario that would be it! Your comments and many other s on this forum are built on frustration of threading water as a team and club presently we are fans imagine how frustrating it must be to be the manager.

I'd don't think it is shortsighted to be honest, we have been inconsistent under Moyes. We get to a certain level, we drop down a level and then we work ourselves back up to that level again.

The past two seasons have been consistent and finally we look like we are getting somewhere. It's too early to predict where we will finish, we could get into Europe and do well or we could struggle. We'll have to wait and see on that one.

What I said is if he fails to get us into Europe then maybe it is time for a change. If he doesn't it'll have proven once again that he can't keep this team at a certain level, we do tend to yoyo.

I expect results and I expect consistency, if he produces them then he deserves to continue as manager here. He'll have done what he set out to do at the start of the season. I'm not saying I want him to go, far from it. I want him to continue consistently, that's all I ask.

I don't agree with people just saying get rid, that's not what I said. I would rather wait to see what he achieves this season, if he doesn't keep us at this level then maybe it is time for a change. If he does then it's all good, we'll keep on moving together.

 

[coyney]

I know most of what you say is borne out of frustration mate, and i think its easy to to look to target things for change or scape goat if you will. Certianly things can be improved on, but that could be said of any team in the country. The fact that you say lets stop looking at the past lets look to the future, is really short sighted. What your looking at is pedigree and ability to decvelop and progress and looking at what a manger has done to secure and improve things long term cant be ignored. The fact the tother managers may be be able to come in and offer something different is possibly ture but at the same time naieve. I mean the man just hasnt built a team hes built a club. So the fact that we have played what a maximum of seven games not to a standard we've come to expect is the hallmark of success rather failure and a strong sense of what moyes has given us in recent seasons is a sense of pride and expectation again. I dont believe anyone else could done what he has done but thats opinion it cant be proven. In many ways i think your being really unapprecitve and shows how spoiled we have become on the back of Moyes success.

Secondly i ask myself the question if Moyes got the oppurtunity to manage one of the CL clubs do i think he would be successfull, without a doubht i do. I know you probably dont but its all about opinions. In terms of how things stand at the moment, can the club provide Moyes with the tools to get top four im not sure they can, do i beleive Moyes has the managerial ability to build a team of getting into the top four if given the tools absolutley so form that view point is a time approaching where i think David Moyes has hit the glass ceiling with Everton?Yes i do and i thnk that frustration will see him leave the club. I hope not but if i had to come down with a likely scenario that would be it! Your comments and many other s on this forum are built on frustration of threading water as a team and club presently we are fans imagine how frustrating it must be to be the manager.

I'd don't think it is shortsighted to be honest, we have been inconsistent under Moyes. We get to a certain level, we drop down a level and then we work ourselves back up to that level again.

The past two seasons have been consistent and finally we look like we are getting somewhere. It's too early to predict where we will finish, we could get into Europe and do well or we could struggle. We'll have to wait and see on that one.

What I said is if he fails to get us into Europe then maybe it is time for a change. If he doesn't it'll have proven once again that he can't keep this team at a certain level, we do tend to yoyo.

I expect results and I expect consistency, if he produces them then he deserves to continue as manager here. He'll have done what he set out to do at the start of the season. I'm not saying I want him to go, far from it. I want him to continue consistently, that's all I ask.

I don't agree with people just saying get rid, that's not what I said. I would rather wait to see what he achieves this season, if he doesn't keep us at this level then maybe it is time for a change. If he does then it's all good, we'll keep on moving together.

But would that be fair to Moyse if he had bought the players early as he wanted then judge him but at the moment its catch up time so I dont think we can judge him fairly this season

 

[Namdrater]

He is of legendary status he better not leave.