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Wenger apparantly had [Poor language removed] loads to spend but chose not to.
No but clearly their are differences in their style of managment, you would have to say Wenger is a better manager then Moyes based on trophey haul, it also has to be taken into account that the majority of Arsenals success happened in a certian context of time in the PL, they havnt been too successfull in the last few seasons.
That said i beleive Moyes is the best manager we could possibly have, its not me saying that the club cant give him the means to progress or to acheive his aspirations on a level playinf field it is him, my opinion is that because of his immpression i beleive this will be his last contract.
ToxtethBlue
Player Valuation: £50m
If he doesn't get us Europe again and improve the style of play then I think it is time for a change to be honest.
Cal
Player Valuation: £40m
Arsenal have the money to spend, that's obvious. They have a brilliant scouting network and Wenger also has a brilliant knack of spotting players who he knows he can bring in for peanuts.
I personally think we're in the s""t when he goes mate, who would you go for as a replacement?
ToxtethBlue
Player Valuation: £50m
I don't get that to be honest, we have good players. Alot of managers would be able to get them playing. A manager with a more positive style of play would improve us in my opinion.
David Moyes is a good manager, he's nothing special though. We haven't been consistent since he got here. If he gets us into Europe then I'd happily keep him, that is a sign of consistency.
Haven't got a clue about the replacement, that's not my job though. I'm sure alot of good managers would be interested in the role.
Nebbiolo
Valuation: £108 million
TB and Roy are correct. Moyes is good for us, but he ain't heading to to a bigger club. He could do sideways, to Newcastle or somewhere similar. Maybe he could head to Celtic, which is probably a step down. But he's not in contention for a top job, and never will be in my view.
Nebbiolo
Valuation: £108 million
Assuming Moyes goes by his own choice TB, can you name a few people that you believe would be interested in coming and would be good for the club?
I have to say i disagree with all most all that mate, the fact we have as good players as we do is very much down to Moyesy, the fact we're noot consistnetly fighting relegation as was the sense when he took over is the only consistency that effects me, that said its a little harsh to say we havnt been consistent this leauge is just so highly competitive. Im not saying as a manager he is not without his flaws, but the job he has done on the means he has given and the times he has given us over the past few years, has brought some pride back to the club and us as fans. Personaly i dont see a scnerio where if anyone else other then Moyes was in charge we wouldnt have been relegated it was waiting to happen.
Away from on the pitch activity i think its important to note the following from a buissness point of view. I wrote this in another thread but it shows how Moyes fprsight impacts not only in the playing side of the club but the club holisitcly, he doesnt just buid a team he has and had a large role to play in building the club as iit exists presently.
To go of topic slightly id just also like to point out from a buissness perspective what an insightfull and good manager David Moyes is. Much has been of him being offered a contract worth 17 mill. But to look at things objectively how much has the man added to the balance sheet realiticly and potentialy during his tenure.
Inherting a squad with a high average age, saw from a playing perspective little resale value, players such as Ginola, Gazza, Pembridge etc were the wrong side of thirty. Moyes endevoured and had amazing forsight to see that at a club with limited finances the only way from a footballing and buissness sense to get ahead was to buy young players in terms of longevity in the squad at a reasonable price and improve there quality subsequently adding to the value of the squad and as such the value of the club, while having the players long term on the pitch.
When you look at say McFadden its a case in point what we got for what we paid is fantatic buissness, arguably Johnson as well. All the time during his tenure he has reduced the average age of the squad as he continues to do knowing that his young singings can triple in value if the need arises to resell in the future. It really is a remarkable feet. It would be intresting to know if any lines of credit have been drawn on player valuations as assets and if so David Moyes needs to take a bow, in terms of finding quality but also value in longevity from a footballing perspective and players as assets from a buissness point of view he must have added millions to the value of the club.
That is before you even factor into the equation the value of home grown youth team players, such as Hibbert, Vic, Vaughan, Ossie, Rodwell Baxter and some of the youngsters we have sold over his tenure.
I just wanted to make the point that from a buissness knowledge and playing knowledge of football and a linkage of the two he has to be the best around, it would be intresting to do a comparison of the the value of his first sqaud to what it is today even taking into account inflation. It goes to show hes worth every penny of his 17 mill and what amazing forsight and understanding he has hiolisiticly of buissness and football He has built a club rather then a team. It also shows an amazing affection for the club as i beleive most managers wouldnt bother thinking of their own necks.
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Robert Jarvis
Player Valuation: £35m
As for a replacement we have been down that road a short while back. TBH if he did decide to go there are little options for him as regards other clubs. But clearly he was undecided at one point but in the last week had said he wanted to stay.
There is a heck of a lot more going on at the club re his contract, possible ownership change and debts than any of us know or have any inkling of. The club management is not about to change it's policy any time soon so we will remain in the dark for some time to come.
Wait till VDM does his memoirs and how he fleeced our club just like Bilic.
There is a heck of a lot more going on at the club re his contract, possible ownership change and debts than any of us know or have any inkling of. The club management is not about to change it's policy any time soon so we will remain in the dark for some time to come.
Wait till VDM does his memoirs and how he fleeced our club just like Bilic.
Cal
Player Valuation: £40m
Disagree really. I think he is special, obviously not up there with the likes of Wenger and Sir Alex etc. But he has something about him.
People forget that we were absolutely dire when he joined, relegation battle after relegation battle and that was in a Footballing climate where we could at least compete in the transfer market.
He joined and he changed the whole mindset of the club, he didn't take any [Poor language removed] off any players and made them work. He started with alot of yard dog's and got us 7th in his first full season, surely a club who was battling for relegation most years and then as soon as a new manager comes in, gets us 7th place is something special?
Yes 17th was a terrible season but there were alot of off field trouble and the whole club was in a crisis, i think shitbag Rooney had abit to do with it too, thinking he was bigger then the club.
The season we finished 4th was nothing short of special, Football had changed alot by then, it was becoming a business then and not a sport. Driven by money, Chelsea being taken over and we spent 1.5 million on Cahill and 500k on Marcus Bent ffs and somehow he got us 4th place even though we had the same team of players except for the players that left and brought in 2 players for 2 million. How that isn't special would be beyond me.
And to get us 6th and 5th while spending peanuts compared to other teams is nothing short of a miracle in todays footballing climate. The man is special imo.
Seamus Colemole
Previously deathbyropeandglass
There are numerous managers in the football world whos achiements match or go above those of David Moyes.
If he goes and we get a replacement in no one knows how well that man will do.
We could get SAF and he could get us relegated, or we could get Big Sam and he could take us to the league title. 2 extreme examples yes but valid.
I'm sure no one really predicted that Moyes would of got us into the top 4 when he was appointed. I believe there are plenty of managers who could come in now and do just as good a job as what Moyes can if not better.
Whether they would of done the same job if they were appointed 6 and a half years ago i dont know, i doubt it but right now today Moyes is far from irreplaceable.
Jesus Christ, he is honestly the only man that could have done what Moyes has done. Not 1 of the "top" managers could have done what he has done. He has taken a club that was down on its knees and he got them numerous top 6 finishes, all for 2m a season.
All the best managers in the game, you tell me who could have done that? It sickens me when ppl say "I dnt care if Moyes leaves". Yes hes made mistakes, but hes made me proud to be an Evertonian. The saying "You dont know what uve got till its gone", i honestly hope that his doubters never have to feel that.
All the best managers in the game, you tell me who could have done that? It sickens me when ppl say "I dnt care if Moyes leaves". Yes hes made mistakes, but hes made me proud to be an Evertonian. The saying "You dont know what uve got till its gone", i honestly hope that his doubters never have to feel that.
ToxtethBlue
Player Valuation: £50m
There's no doubting he's done a good job in getting us to the level we where at last season. He's lifted the club in many aspects and improved us alot.
Just because he got us these players does not mean he's the only manager who can work with them. Lots of managers could, there's no reason why we'd be [Poor language removed] just because David Moyes has left the club. There are lots of managers out there who could've done a similar job, Sam Allardyce did a similar job at Bolton with far less money to work with. He's a good manager, he isn't a special or unreplaceble manager.
What we've got to do is forget all this, we shouldn't be looking back at the past. We should be looking to the future and David Moyes should be producing the results and getting us into European competition. I want him to prove himself consistently. Not get us into Europe one season, have a poor season, get us into Europe again then get knocked out at the first hurdle.
That isn't consistency. I want to see him producing the goods, if he does that then he deserves to stay.
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