Seamus Coleman isn't up to it.

TX Bill · November 17, 2012

DanEFC92 said:
Contradictory, as you defend him when he makes clangers. But yer tick tock tick tock.

And I case you didn't understand my first reply, perhaps this will help.

When Howard makes mistakes, his critics are saying "get rid." I'm not even advocating something like that with Coleman. But somehow you're equating the two.

DanEFC92 · November 17, 2012

TX Bill said:
Good try.

Yeah, get Mucha in. Oh wait, most definitely not an improvement over Howard. Hibbert...a defensive improvement over Coleman.

Get it?

No?

Tick tock tick tock.

Possibly, we'll never know has he's not given gametime; Howard is not exempt from criticism. Hibbert is a better defensive option, but we'd be dependant on the left hand side again as Hibbert gets nose-bleeds if he crosses the half-way line. So Coleman is the only viable option, despite his occasional naivety.

But carry on being condescending.

Tick.

Goat · November 17, 2012

He dropped a big one with the Pen, but I thought he was decent otherwise.

billycopper · November 17, 2012

davek said:
Mystifying.

It's a game of opinions though, I suppose.

Coleman has contributed 1 league assist this season compared to 3 each for Baines and Jagielka. If Seamus is going to be in the side for his attacking flair and inspite of his defensive deficiencies then he needs to be making more of an impact going forward.

Essex Blue · November 17, 2012

He is a liability IMO, and I welcome the return of Hibbo.

Brennan · November 17, 2012

TX Bill said:
Yeah, sure.

You said anybody who disagrees with your opinion of Colemans defensive ability is popcorning. So yeah, sure !

Tubey · November 17, 2012

billycopper said:
Coleman has contributed 1 league assist this season compared to 3 each for Baines and Jagielka. If Seamus is going to be in the side for his attacking flair and inspite of his defensive deficiencies then he needs to be making more of an impact going forward.

That's unfair given our attacking priority is down the left, and Baines has Pienaar to play off. Coleman hasn't been bad at all, we've got much more pressing problems. In fact, Coleman has been a major positive at right back - in my eyes anyway. The awful centre half partnerships and the lightweight centre of midfield are far more of a worry.

If Baines had no assists, people wouldn't be calling for Distin to be playing left back as he's more defensively solid. So I'm not understanding why Coleman is being singled out here, especially as he's not having calamitous performances.

DualityNSNO · November 17, 2012

billycopper said:
Coleman has contributed 1 league assist this season compared to 3 each for Baines and Jagielka. If Seamus is going to be in the side for his attacking flair and inspite of his defensive deficiencies then he needs to be making more of an impact going forward.

Because stats are pretty much everything, and it's not the directness of his overall play that matters here, definitely. I'm saying that because he could've went past 4 players, crossed the ball to (for example) Jagielka and he could've just headed it into the box or whatever and - bam, assist for Jagielka. Not very fair stats.

DualityNSNO · November 17, 2012

Tubey said:
That's unfair given our attacking priority is down the left, and Baines has Pienaar to play off. Coleman hasn't been bad at all, we've got much more pressing problems. In fact, Coleman has been a major positive at right back - in my eyes anyway. The awful centre half partnerships and the lightweight centre of midfield are far more of a worry.

If Baines had no assists, people wouldn't be calling for Distin to be playing left back as he's more defensively solid. So I'm not understanding why Coleman is being singled out here, especially as he's not having calamitous performances.

YES BUT WE NEED MORE DEFENDERS ANYHOW, WE SHOULD JUST FIELD 6 OF THEM AGAIN

Also very much agreed here with the whole post.

Midnitemike · November 17, 2012

Give the lad a break - he has made a couple of bad mistakes over the last couple of weeks but over all his game keeps improving. I'm more concerned with the amount of chances we are creating then missing atm. If we converted half of the chances no one would be talking about Coleman tonight.

billycopper · November 17, 2012

Tubey said:
That's unfair given our attacking priority is down the left, and Baines has Pienaar to play off. Coleman hasn't been bad at all, we've got much more pressing problems. In fact, Coleman has been a major positive at right back - in my eyes anyway. The awful centre half partnerships and the lightweight centre of midfield are far more of a worry.

If Baines had no assists, people wouldn't be calling for Distin to be playing left back as he's more defensively solid. So I'm not understanding why Coleman is being singled out here, especially as he's not having calamitous performances.

I do like Coleman but, as a team, I think we need to sort things out defensively so that we're not so exposed when he does make mistakes. Mirallas normally goes floating, so there's nobody infront of him, Neville doesn't come across as well as he could and Jags has enough on his hands in the middle. Until we've addressed those issues I think that having such a young and attack-minded fullback leaves us vulnerable.

Azzurri · November 17, 2012

Strangely I'm with TX Bill here.

Azzurri · November 17, 2012

Tell you what though, if you merged Coleman's attacking ability with Hibbert's defensive ability you'd have a world class full back.

ijjysmith · November 17, 2012

TX Bill said:
Nah mate, it's those who think Coleman DEFENDS better than Hibbert who are wrong. By a country mile. No other way to say it. If they want to be willfully ignorant, then I can't help that.

They both make mistakes but when I want my club to "keep the ball out of the back of our net" then Hibbert is who I want in back, not Coleman.

I reckon Hibbert is a SLIGHTLY better defender than Coleman.

But Coleman is infinitely better going forward.

So overall Coleman is better.

billycopper · November 17, 2012

DualityNSNO said:
Because stats are pretty much everything, and it's not the directness of his overall play that matters here, definitely. I'm saying that because he could've went past 4 players, crossed the ball to (for example) Jagielka and he could've just headed it into the box or whatever and - bam, assist for Jagielka. Not very fair stats.

It's a difficult situation for Seamus to come into. He's quite possibly being told to make use of the space in front of him vacated by Mirallas and it's not in his nature to lump the ball forward aimlessly, so he's being caught out. If we were making better use of his attacking talents and it wasn't costing us goals then I'd pick him every time, but I think we could do with making the position a bit more solid as things stand.