Kenwright isn't failing enough...

[uknightbreed]

you cant use a dog to pull a horse cart !

no matter how much the dog tries it's just not gonna be strong enough.

the dog could take all the passengers and load from the cart to make the pull easier but then the cart journey would then be pointless.

kenwright is our dog , the club is the cart , the passengers and load are our assetts.

nice man , but not up to the task. nuff said.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

Which will backfire one day. He can't keep borrowing off Green and Earl. He's scrambiling for fund this summer you can tell. Moyes would of signed if so.

The size of our squad is worrying. Moyes needs at least 30 million to be able to boost the squad with quantity and quality. He can't do that with a budget of 15 million.

Moyes wants progress, i don't think people see that. Moyes can't keep producing miracles on a shoestring budget. He want's to progress this season, because we have got such a brilliant base to continue on. This season coming if we bring in the right quality then we could easily challenge the top 4.

If Moyes doesn't want to know anymore because of a shoestring budget. I hope he leaves and make's Kenwright look like a complete and utter tit.

Shoestring budget isn't buying players for £10m quid, I think your over reacting and getting on the "we need to spend as much as our rivals to compete" bandwagon. We didn't last season and we don't this season.

We need to replace one player for sure, and maybe one other. The rest of the signings are squad players at most. I don't see why we should spend £30m on two quality players and then 4 or 5 squad players.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

you cant use a dog to pull a horse cart !

no matter how much the dog tries it's just not gonna be strong enough.

the dog could take all the passengers and load from the cart to make the pull easier but then the cart journey would then be pointless.

kenwright is our dog , the club is the cart , the passengers and load are our assetts.

nice man , but not up to the task. nuff said.

done alright so far.

 

[Cal]

Shoestring budget isn't buying players for £10m quid, I think your over reacting and getting on the "we need to spend as much as our rivals to compete" bandwagon. We didn't last season and we don't this season.

We need to replace one player for sure, and maybe one other. The rest of the signings are squad players at most. I don't see why we should spend £30m on two quality players and then 4 or 5 squad players.

We need extra quality. It's obvious. Moyes and the players have said this. We need a player in the Arshavin mould, a player that can win us a game. That's what we're missing, it's surely obvious to see?

The Yakubu signing was paid for by a loan of 25 million (this was also for Fernandes).

I'm not saying we need to spend as much as others, but players cost alot these days and squad players dont come cheap. We need to spend to bring in quality and quantity - 25-30 should cover this.

 

[uknightbreed]

done alright so far.

would it be unfair of me to say any pauper could have bought the club and kept it afloat by investing little to nothing , almost trippling the club debt and selling off assetts and lines of revenue ?

 

[GhostOfDixie]

We need extra quality. It's obvious. Moyes and the players have said this. We need a player in the Arshavin mould, a player that can win us a game. That's what we're missing, it's surely obvious to see?

The Yakubu signing was paid for by a loan of 25 million (this was also for Fernandes).

I'm not saying we need to spend as much as others, but players cost alot these days and squad players dont come cheap. We need to spend to bring in quality and quantity - 25-30 should cover this.

No we don't, and the quicker you realise this the better. Just because Liverpool spend millions on players, doesn't mean we have to.

Lescott £4m?
Yobo £4m
Arteta £2m
Pienaar £2m
Jags £4M

So for those 5 players we have spent £16m. We also spent £11m on Yak and nearly £9m in AJ. Yak is giving us value for money because he scored 20 goals, AJ scored sod all, so he is not giving us value for money. The others I have mentioned there have all given us value for money plus Cahill who cost us £3m about.

I would rather Moyes spend £10m on one defensive midfielder, maybe £6m on Fernandes, and then perhaps a couple of loan signings. We have Rodwell, Kissock, Irving and Gosling in the squad now, so regardless of experience they are numbers in the squad, and will be given the opportunity to play and gain experience. I would rather we see them come through then have some journeymen squad players who will stifle our youth. Gravesen is an example of that.

I can understand your desire to support a club that can spend money all over the place, but it really isn't required, and money isn't the solution. Its what you do with what you have, and good a coach you are on the training field. I don't think anyone can deny that Moyes is an exceptional manager and is getting the best out of his players and more bang from his buck than any manager in the Premiership.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

would it be unfair of me to say any pauper could have bought the club and kept it afloat by investing little to nothing , almost trippling the club debt and selling off assetts and lines of revenue ?

yeah it would mate, because he's doing it. He's got a tough job and thew worst fickle fans to try and appease. Which ever way you slice it, Bill Kenwright is responsible for getting this club to the brink of Champions League football. End of.

 

[Cal]

No we don't, and the quicker you realise this the better. Just because Liverpool spend millions on players, doesn't mean we have to.

Lescott £4m?
Yobo £4m
Arteta £2m
Pienaar £2m
Jags £4M

So for those 5 players we have spent £16m. We also spent £11m on Yak and nearly £9m in AJ. Yak is giving us value for money because he scored 20 goals, AJ scored sod all, so he is not giving us value for money. The others I have mentioned there have all given us value for money plus Cahill who cost us £3m about.

I would rather Moyes spend £10m on one defensive midfielder, maybe £6m on Fernandes, and then perhaps a couple of loan signings. We have Rodwell, Kissock, Irving and Gosling in the squad now, so regardless of experience they are numbers in the squad, and will be given the opportunity to play and gain experience. I would rather we see them come through then have some journeymen squad players who will stifle our youth. Gravesen is an example of that.

I can understand your desire to support a club that can spend money all over the place, but it really isn't required, and money isn't the solution. Its what you do with what you have, and good a coach you are on the training field. I don't think anyone can deny that Moyes is an exceptional manager and is getting the best out of his players and more bang from his buck than any manager in the Premiership.

Never said Moyes wasn't a good manager. He's an exceptional manager i agree and gets the best out of his players.

But he wants to work with 'world class' players and this season should give him the chance to do so. To go out and spend money on players who will dramatically improve the quality of the squad. I think he's had enough of buying down in the basement.

Yes Cahill etc were amazing buys but we cannot keep buying championship players in hope that they will turn out to be able to compete in the Europe. Because that's what Moyes wants, Champions league players.

 

[uknightbreed]

actually i do agree with ghost here.

i think your saying , theres no need to spend silly money on big name signings.

moyes has done his best transfers with minimum cash.thats a fact !

when moyes was last pushed to spend big so much we ended up with beatie davies kroldrup and vdm.all pants and made a loss.
i havent got a problem with moyes buying 6or7 players on the cheap if atleast 2 or 3 of them turn out to be a cahill or arteta type.

being prudent has seen us well up till now and we have been knocking on the door of success.
perhaps sticking to this routine is financially more secure and will still move us forward.besides , bargain buys is what moyes is best at , its a skill and a quality we should use as much as possible.

we are on the right road and heading in the right direction , we have a good squad with good youth coming through.

perhaps we shouldnt panic and go overboard.it could be as simple as keep doing what we are doing.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

Never said Moyes wasn't a good manager. He's an exceptional manager i agree and gets the best out of his players.

But he wants to work with 'world class' players and this season should give him the chance to do so. To go out and spend money on players who will dramatically improve the quality of the squad. I think he's had enough of buying down in the basement.

Yes Cahill etc were amazing buys but we cannot keep buying championship players in hope that they will turn out to be able to compete in the Europe. Because that's what Moyes wants, Champions league players.

Well we haven't been buying Championship players, we have been buying exceptional talent for cheaper than what you would pay if you had to shop in the posh stores. Money isn't the solution.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

actually i do agree with ghost here.

i think your saying , theres no need to spend silly money on big name signings.

moyes has done his best transfers with minimum cash.thats a fact !

when moyes was last pushed to spend big so much we ended up with beatie davies kroldrup and vdm.all pants and made a loss.
i havent got a problem with moyes buying 6or7 players on the cheap if atleast 2 or 3 of them turn out to be a cahill or arteta type.

being prudent has seen us well up till now and we have been knocking on the door of success.
perhaps sticking to this routine is financially more secure and will still move us forward.besides , bargain buys is what moyes is best at , its a skill and a quality we should use as much as possible.

we are on the right road and heading in the right direction , we have a good squad with good youth coming through.

perhaps we shouldnt panic and go overboard.it could be as simple as keep doing what we are doing.

Exactly. Newcastle have been throwing money at the problem for years, and its got them [Poor language removed] all.

 

[Nebbiolo]

Well we haven't been buying Championship players, we have been buying exceptional talent for cheaper than what you would pay if you had to shop in the posh stores. Money isn't the solution.

I'm sorry Ghost, but money is indeed the solution. It's true that it is possible to unearth gems for little money. Our examples would be Arteta, Lescott and Cahill. But to continue a push into the Champions League then we need to be signing players with proven pedigree as well as these other types with potential. Look at the [Poor language removed], for example. It took one player at £23m to guarantee Champions League football. Look at Man Utd, it took the signing of a Portuguese wonder-kid at £13m to guarantee the premier league. Look at Chelsea, the team is awash with expensive flops and expensive hits. It gets them Champions League every year now. Money really is everything in this league. After money then we need good management of the club. After that we need the club to be located in a decent place. London is the best venue and attracts the majority of foreign players. But Manchester and Liverpool similarly are attractive cities to live in. Newcastle's problem has been that the city is [Poor language removed] and in a backwater. The club has also been managed terribly and the players that have signed have all been not good enough for the money paid.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

I'm sorry Ghost, but money is indeed the solution. It's true that it is possible to unearth gems for little money. Our examples would be Arteta, Lescott and Cahill. But to continue a push into the Champions League then we need to be signing players with proven pedigree as well as these other types with potential. Look at the [Poor language removed], for example. It took one player at £23m to guarantee Champions League football. Look at Man Utd, it took the signing of a Portuguese wonder-kid at £13m to guarantee the premier league. Look at Chelsea, the team is awash with expensive flops and expensive hits. It gets them Champions League every year now. Money really is everything in this league. After money then we need good management of the club. After that we need the club to be located in a decent place. London is the best venue and attracts the majority of foreign players. But Manchester and Liverpool similarly are attractive cities to live in. Newcastle's problem has been that the city is [Poor language removed] and in a backwater. The club has also been managed terribly and the players that have signed have all been not good enough for the money paid.

No it isn't. A solution takes many parts, having one part of that solution is not the solution.

You can spend £11m on a striker like Luque and he does naff all for you, or you can spend £11 on a striker and he becomes a very good acqusition and gains you 5th place, which for our level is the best we can be.

Man U didn't get to their level by money alone, many parts were brought together in the major reinvention of the club that has now seen them become the most successful British Club in recent times. Youth investment, overseas marketing, staff investment, and spending prudishly to get to the next level.

Man U became successful in the early 90's due to two factors. One youth development and Eric Cantona. The latter costing just under a million, the former costing about the same in blood sweat and tears but reaped an absolute fortune.

 

[Duncan9]

yeah it would mate, because he's doing it. He's got a tough job and thew worst fickle fans to try and appease. Which ever way you slice it, Bill Kenwright is responsible for getting this club to the brink of Champions League football. End of.

I hope you don`t think this rude of me but may I suggest that it is Moyes, and not Kenwright, that has got Everton to the brink of Champions league football. Not by spending millions but by sheer hard graft.
In an ideal world we would have millions to spend but even I realise that this is not the case. Therefore money has to be spent wisely and, with a few exceptions, Moyes has done this. As you so rightly pointed out.
I suspect that even now Kenwright is scrabbling around for cash to enable Moyes to achieve that which he wants in the transfer window.

 

[coyney]

There as bad as TW mate, they are so anti Everton they should have a liver bird on there homepage like TW

Classic that mate comimg from you,are you not the one who complained about your treatment on here because you disagreed .now because some sites dont agree with you they are anti Everton and should have the liver bird why is your opinion any more credible than any one else I respect your right to disagree but apparently no one is given the same courtesy by you ?I like some of your posts even ones I dont agree with as they provoke thought ,but when you post comments like this you let your self down no one is insulting you because they disagree thats what a forum is all about I did find offensive you telling me to walk as its "only ten minutes" mate if I could walk for ten minutes I would be delighted if you read that post correctly you would have realised that being disabled means I cant walk so do you not agree that post was distasteful to say the least.