Fernandes Snag!

[HalewoodBlue]

I don't watch a different Everton to you I'm just realistic. I know for a fact that none of our midfielders control games because we play hoofball. There's only so much they can see of it. Arteta is very capable of controling a game as is Manny in my opinion but they have to be given the ball to feet to have any chance.

Alot of our chances do come from Arteta but over 90 minutes he doesn't dictate games. He gives you nice plays over 90 minutes but he isn't doing it continually and getting on the ball all the time because of the hoofing. Fabregas controls games for Arsenal, Scholes controls games for Man utd but Arteta doesn't not control games for us and neither do any of our midfielders. Its pretty clear in the fact that we never dominate possession. If we did we'd have someone like Arteta dictating the game.

I base my opinion on watching them both. This season has obvioulsy been hard for both of them. Both have had problems with fitness and niggling injuries. On the 10 games they played together last season they looked at each others level. Two quality footballers giving us another dimension. I feel they are on each others level but they've never been give us a long season together to make it clear who is actually better.

Fernandes definatly has more potential. He has more to his game and if he devlops those attributes will be a step above Arteta. Technically they are very similar, they both have silky skills but Fernandes edges it in physical abilities and passing. He's also 4 years younger and has alot more time on his side. But saying all this though there different. Arteta is a better winger whereas Manny is a better centre midfielder.

Your comments on his attitude are opinion and that is all. No one knows what happened in the summer so I'm not going to comment on it and the fact that you never give the facts proves you don't know anything. He was blatently injured against City. If got taken from the side, tried to run if off and couldn't. Nothing wrong with that. If he'd have stayed on the pitch he could have cost us a goal. He was also our for 3 weeks after the injury.

1) I was going to stop reading at the highlighted bit as that is clearly utter rubbish, we have played some beautiful football this season. Some of the best at GP for a very very long time.
2) We will never agree, Arteta has controlled games on many an occasion and on form is utterly untouchable
3) What potential? If he was showing such this great potential as you pretend he does, then surely it wouldnt be just Everton who are taking pity on him and trying to sign him. You can bet your life if Arteta came up for sale some of the big names of football would be interested, the same cannot be said of Manny
4) I have it on good authority on both occasions especially the citeh incident that Moyes was non plussed about manny, if you want to believe he was injured thats fine

 

[HalewoodBlue]

Please dont tell me people are comparing Fernandes to Arteta?

Fernandes isn't a patch on Arteta when he's on form.

Sure, Fernandes shows moments of good skill, but consistency wise he's poor. His 'ability' to give the ball away to me, makes Arteta by far the better player.

Well said

 

[ToxtethBlue]

Please dont tell me people are comparing Fernandes to Arteta?

Fernandes isn't a patch on Arteta when he's on form.

Sure, Fernandes shows moments of good skill, but consistency wise he's poor. His 'ability' to give the ball away to me, makes Arteta by far the better player.

Yes I am. Whats wrong with that? What has Arteta got that Fernandes hasn't?

Consistency wise? Fernandes hasn't been given a run of games to get any consistency. Niggling injuries have stopped him getting a proper run so its very unfair to judge. In his first spell he was consistent and played reasonably well in every game. He was alot fitter then which gave him a chance.

This season he's played 5 games, missed 5 games and played 5 games. Considering he came here unfit and with an injury its very likely that he's going to need a run to get up and running.

He didn't give the ball away in his first spell here. Very rarely actually which is why alot of people took to him. This season again fitness comes into it. He's been making silly mistakes because he hasn't been 100%. And making these silly mistakes have made people believe he's been giving the ball away all the time which isn't the case. His passing stats prove this. His pass completion ratings where 79% which is very good and on par with Arteta's.

Arteta is an excellent player but he's not a level above Fernandes. Not a chance. He's more experienced and has alot more time to prove himself yes but in terms of natural ability and potential Fernandes wins for me.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Fair enough, all down to opinions really.

In terms of what I have seen for Everton though, i'd rather have Arteta. If given a direct choice between who i'd prefer at Everton next year, i'd pick Arteta because of consistency. I think Fernandes is much more prone to drift out of a game. Both on their day would be fantastic though.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

1) I was going to stop reading at the highlighted bit as that is clearly utter rubbish, we have played some beautiful football this season. Some of the best at GP for a very very long time.
2) We will never agree, Arteta has controlled games on many an occasion and on form is utterly untouchable
3) What potential? If he was showing such this great potential as you pretend he does, then surely it wouldnt be just Everton who are taking pity on him and trying to sign him. You can bet your life if Arteta came up for sale some of the big names of football would be interested, the same cannot be said of Manny
4) I have it on good authority on both occasions especially the citeh incident that Moyes was non plussed about manny, if you want to believe he was injured thats fine

We have played good football in spells. In other spells we haven't and even when we where playing well we still had a tendency to hit the ball long. Neville, Yobo and Jags where the obvious offenders.

Arteta hasn't controlled games. He's had some excellent games definatly but controling them consistently he hasn't. One he's not in a position to on the wing and two he just doesn't. We rarely dominate possession whether where playing well or not so its quite obviously really.

The only club that have come in for Arteta are Valencia according to the Spanish press. The same club who snapped up Fernandes. Fernandes is at Everton because he has no stability in his career. Similar to Arteta when he joined us. He'd never been given a chance to show his potential consistently.

Fernandes's potential is quite clear to see. Only the clueless deluded ones who have a grudge against he deny he has potential. As I've said I remember you(Halewoodblue) on NSNO.co.uk calling him a quality player and a player we should buy.

You don't have it on good authority at all. Your known across Everton websites as someone who talks [Poor language removed]. No offense but you get banned from every site you go on. Speaks for itself really.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

Fair enough, all down to opinions really.

In terms of what I have seen for Everton though, i'd rather have Arteta. If given a direct choice between who i'd prefer at Everton next year, i'd pick Arteta because of consistency. I think Fernandes is much more prone to drift out of a game. Both on their day would be fantastic though.

Really though your basing that on Arteta being here longer and having more games to prove himself. Which is fair enough because I agree. Arteta is an excellent player, a great servant to this club and I wouldn't swap him for Fernandes or anyone else for that matter.

 

[HalewoodBlue]

We have played good football in spells. In other spells we haven't and even when we where playing well we still had a tendency to hit the ball long. Neville, Yobo and Jags where the obvious offenders.

Arteta hasn't controlled games. He's had some excellent games definatly but controling them consistently he hasn't. One he's not in a position to on the wing and two he just doesn't. We rarely dominate possession whether where playing well or not so its quite obviously really.

The only club that have come in for Arteta are Valencia according to the Spanish press. The same club who snapped up Fernandes. Fernandes is at Everton because he has no stability in his career. Similar to Arteta when he joined us. He'd never been given a chance to show his potential consistently.

Fernandes's potential is quite clear to see. Only the clueless deluded ones who have a grudge against he deny he has potential. As I've said I remember you(Halewoodblue) on NSNO.co.uk calling him a quality player and a player we should buy.

You don't have it on good authority at all. Your known across Everton websites as someone who talks [Poor language removed]. No offense but you get banned from every site you go on. Speaks for itself really.

1) We have scored very few goals this yr from hoofing. A vast majority were scored from great footballing moves (Prime example being Ossie vs Larrisa) A goal which if scored by united would have been constantly shown on tv
2) Cant bothered arguing about Arteta again, your simply wrong
3) Arteta isnt up for sale so we dont know who would be in for him, but if you listen to other fans they all want him. The lad oozes skill
4) Manny has no stability because he brings it on himself, or did Valencia force him to smash a nightclub up and spend a night in prison?
5) Oh were getting personal now, lets take you through it then. Some admin (no names being mentioned) dont like my forthright views and to be fair sometimes i get carried away with my passion.
NSNO - Got banned from there because the owner a) didnt like my opposition of his views on the stadium and b ) i dared say i thought vaughan was overrated, and was banned for criticising our young players, this despite the owner regularly criticising our other youngster Vic, calling him lazy. Smacks of being a bit 2 faced i am sure you will agree.
Kipper - Originally got banned from there for saying BT would be [Poor language removed] when he signed, how wrong was i there eh! Since been banned by a biased admin who dont like yes voters on the relocate forum and want to leave it a no only zone
This site - Got banned for saying Grav should pull his finger out and i cant understand the hero status he got, this was after he scored the pen in uefa then failed to turn up the follwing match

 

[ToxtethBlue]

1) We have scored very few goals this yr from hoofing. A vast majority were scored from great footballing moves (Prime example being Ossie vs Larrisa) A goal which if scored by united would have been constantly shown on tv
2) Cant bothered arguing about Arteta again, your simply wrong
3) Arteta isnt up for sale so we dont know who would be in for him, but if you listen to other fans they all want him. The lad oozes skill
4) Manny has no stability because he brings it on himself, or did Valencia force him to smash a nightclub up and spend a night in prison?
5) Oh were getting personal now, lets take you through it then. Some admin (no names being mentioned) dont like my forthright views and to be fair sometimes i get carried away with my passion.
NSNO - Got banned from there because the owner a) didnt like my opposition of his views on the stadium and b ) i dared say i thought vaughan was overrated, and was banned for criticising our young players, this despite the owner regularly criticising our other youngster Vic, calling him lazy. Smacks of being a bit 2 faced i am sure you will agree.
Kipper - Originally got banned from there for saying BT would be [Poor language removed] when he signed, how wrong was i there eh! Since been banned by a biased admin who dont like yes voters on the relocate forum and want to leave it a no only zone
This site - Got banned for saying Grav should pull his finger out and i cant understand the hero status he got, this was after he scored the pen in uefa then failed to turn up the follwing match

We've scored a good mixture of goals this season. A mixture of direct football and good football. The Sunderland game summed it up for me. Half the goals where from long punts upfield and half where from lovely football. I'm not doubting we haven't played good football this season but I am realistic. Our football is by no means perfect and we still have players who love a hoof. I'm sure Moyes will bring even more composed players in and improve on this.

It doesn't really matter if Arteta is up for sale or not. That doesn't stop clubs from coming in for someone and enquiring for him. According to Guillem Balague who is very up to gate on his Spanish football Arteta was wanted by Valencia and they had a bid rejected.

The situation on Fernandes at Valencia isn't clear. I've been told he supposedly robbed a watch, I've been told he had a disagreement with someone and I've been told he along with Miguel was racially abused. I don't know the facts so I don't know who to believe and neither do you to be honest.

Fernandes hasn't had any stability because he's part owned. Everyone will agree he's overpriced at 12 million yet his owners have never knocked down the price meaning he's got to move out on loan to play for other clubs. He's had just as many clubs as Arteta did at his age so I wouldn't say its down to attitude. Some players just take time to find there clubs. If Everton is the club for Manny I do no know.

I'm not going to agree with someone who is known for talking [Poor language removed] though. I know you talk [Poor language removed] as do alot of other posters.

You also try to wind people up. I've seen it on every website I've been on. I don't need you telling me what you supposedly did. I was there and I remember.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

C'mon lads, agree to disagree ay!

 

[ToxtethBlue]

C'mon lads, agree to disagree ay!

I think we'll have to. Agree to disagree HB? Good debate anyway.

 

[HalewoodBlue]

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You also try to wind people up. I've seen it on every website I've been on. I don't need you telling me what you supposedly did. I was there and I remember.

You remember very wrong

 

[Cal]

Please dont tell me people are comparing Fernandes to Arteta?

Fernandes isn't a patch on Arteta when he's on form.

Sure, Fernandes shows moments of good skill, but consistency wise he's poor. His 'ability' to give the ball away to me, makes Arteta by far the better player.

Arteta is better then Manny yes.

But Manuel could easily be world class with the right coaching.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

Arteta is better then Manny yes.

But Manuel could easily be world class with the right coaching.

Agreed. Thats probably about right. Although I don't think there's a big difference between them. Arteta has just been given the games to proves himself whereas Fernandes hasn't. You could only really judge if they both played 30 games a season alongside each other.

Potentially I think Fernandes is definatly better. Arteta's excellent but he lacks in a few areas.

 

[Cal]

You remember very wrong

Why do you make me absolutely furious?

 

[HalewoodBlue]

Why do you make me absolutely furious?

Because am always right?