Discussion & help on depression & mental health related issues

Thank you. Having had my own experiences 10-15 years ago I can confirm that. For me, meditation and sertraline (and leaving a very unsafe and toxic work situation) was the thing that worked. Otherwise I might not still be here, or certainly not with my missus.
I think in the case of my pal it's unresolved trauma from a previous job. The talking therapy has worked to an extent but he's finding unmanageable situations that seemingly have no trigger. It's really tough to see.

Again, this may sound leftfield, do you think he would consider psychotherapy, which is kind of like the tough love version of talking therapy ?

If he`s got deep rooted problems which he`s buried, they`re going to need resolving before he can start his road to recovery.

On matters like this, I always defer to our resident mental health care professional @Spotty as he`s the man for complex problems like this.
 
Again, this may sound leftfield, do you think he would consider psychotherapy, which is kind of like the tough love version of talking therapy ?

If he`s got deep rooted problems which he`s buried, they`re going to need resolving before he can start his road to recovery.

On matters like this, I always defer to our resident mental health care professional @Spotty as he`s the man for complex problems like this.


Thanks for this phrasing and sorry to interject here but that’s precisely what my psychotherapist is, I see both a therapist and a psych and the latter is very much a tough love. If you can afford it it’s very helpful.
 
Thanks for this phrasing and sorry to interject here but that’s precisely what my psychotherapist is, I see both a therapist and a psych and the latter is very much a tough love. If you can afford it it’s very helpful.

It helped one of my best mates out, who was in a horrendous coercive relationship out no end.

As you say " tough love ", but the tears are worth it in the end.
 
Without knowing details it is difficult to say for certain.

What might also be helpful for your pal is to have a look at the NHS NICE guidelines around treatment for anxiety disorders.

Medication,CBT and exercise are all proven and effective interventions around what is called generalised anxiety,but if the actual problem is not that then the interventions could be limited.

On NICE their is a stepped approach that they can see.

Sadly it will also be dependant on how good their gp is on getting on board with referrals and asking for psychiatric/ psychological input.

Anyway good luck.
 
It's certainly not leftfield, thanks, but he's a bodybuilder and goes to the gym every day. Even that isn't touching it.
This isn't an easy reply, so with some trepidation I'll hover around what could be an issue, the bodybuilding world is more often than not a rather detrimental culture, that's not a one size fits all broad brush stroke, but I have seen and experienced significant bad behaviours that were all traced back to the pursuit of the ultimate physique.
 
Without knowing details it is difficult to say for certain.

What might also be helpful for your pal is to have a look at the NHS NICE guidelines around treatment for anxiety disorders.

Medication,CBT and exercise are all proven and effective interventions around what is called generalised anxiety,but if the actual problem is not that then the interventions could be limited.

On NICE their is a stepped approach that they can see.

Sadly it will also be dependant on how good their gp is on getting on board with referrals and asking for psychiatric/ psychological input.

Anyway good luck.
Thanks. The NICE guidelines are a great shout. I’ve forwarded the link on.
 
This isn't an easy reply, so with some trepidation I'll hover around what could be an issue, the bodybuilding world is more often than not a rather detrimental culture, that's not a one size fits all broad brush stroke, but I have seen and experienced significant bad behaviours that were all traced back to the pursuit of the ultimate physique.
Thanks. It’s not competitive but I suppose it’s always comparative. As a gym-denier I wouldn’t know.
 
Thanks. It’s not competitive but I suppose it’s always comparative. As a gym-denier I wouldn’t know.
There's a world of supplements* out there, and then gear* and its all rather negative long term stuff. Restrictive diets, waking up after 3 hours for more protein, calorie deficits and excess cardio. I've watched someone drive themselves mad with that culture. Everything else, (his wife and two children) got relegated to pursue the lifestyle. A waste.
If your mate is carrying trauma around with him, it requires addressing sooner than later as it can end up crushing him. How to address it is very difficult, a lot of men choose to shy away from it and pretend it isn't there.
 
There's a world of supplements* out there, and then gear* and its all rather negative long term stuff. Restrictive diets, waking up after 3 hours for more protein, calorie deficits and excess cardio. I've watched someone drive themselves mad with that culture. Everything else, (his wife and two children) got relegated to pursue the lifestyle. A waste.
If your mate is carrying trauma around with him, it requires addressing sooner than later as it can end up crushing him. How to address it is very difficult, a lot of men choose to shy away from it and pretend it isn't there.

There is a good British film Muscle (2019) which is about the anxiety/masculinity/pressure of bodybuilding
 
As usual there is a great range of support on this forum. Some really excellent advice. We are all different, physically and psycho socially. As such we often respond to things differently. This includes how we respond to talking therapies. For example, CBT might be great for one person traumatised as a child, for the other traumatised child, not so well. One prescription does not fit all. Theirin lies the "issue". I wish we could open a book, under " when helping traumatised people, do this". But there isn't. It's often "horses for courses". If you try a therapy, and it works therapeutically, great. If not it's a case of trial and error. The problem lies unfortunately when you are put on a waiting list for help when you want it now.

The other issue is like to discuss is the nature of therapy itself. Any trained therapists worth their salt 2ill initiate therapy with "what are you expecting". This is because it's going to be a collaborative approach. Your going to have to do the hard work time and time again. The last part is often hard to hear and here's why. The therapist cannot take what happened to you away. They just can't. But what they can do is prepare you. Give you options on how you can cope, recognise triggers and support you with thought processes, options as to how to look at things. The Therapist wants to "enable" you. Help YOU be the catalyst to work towards dealing with things better. Perhaps help you with ways of coping in less harmful ways. For example, utilizing exercise as stress reliever rather than self harm. We aren't machines, we can't just forget abuse or trauma,hoping it will go away. But adopting a therapy / medical model approach can be so beneficial. It's just means persisting in a trial and error approach and eventually landing on the most therepeutic intervention.

The one thing I'm a 100% certain on is the need to share. There are people out there who WANT to help. We all have a value, mean something and yes, are in a position to help others. If you think you are worthless you are sadly mistaken. The importance of just listening to someone is incalculable and can literally mean the difference between life and death. Being there for someone who thinks "no one cares" is so so important. So please share, tell someone your struggling, even asking "can I spend a little time with you, I don't feel very well " can help you feel better. At a time when we celebrate the life of a man born 2000 years ago, who only wanted us to look after one another I myself can testify the thing that makes me feel the happiest and contented is 2h3n you have done something to help people. It gives you that nice feeling inside doesn't it.

Take care all. Happy Easter
 
As usual there is a great range of support on this forum. Some really excellent advice. We are all different, physically and psycho socially. As such we often respond to things differently. This includes how we respond to talking therapies. For example, CBT might be great for one person traumatised as a child, for the other traumatised child, not so well. One prescription does not fit all. Theirin lies the "issue". I wish we could open a book, under " when helping traumatised people, do this". But there isn't. It's often "horses for courses". If you try a therapy, and it works therapeutically, great. If not it's a case of trial and error. The problem lies unfortunately when you are put on a waiting list for help when you want it now.

The other issue is like to discuss is the nature of therapy itself. Any trained therapists worth their salt 2ill initiate therapy with "what are you expecting". This is because it's going to be a collaborative approach. Your going to have to do the hard work time and time again. The last part is often hard to hear and here's why. The therapist cannot take what happened to you away. They just can't. But what they can do is prepare you. Give you options on how you can cope, recognise triggers and support you with thought processes, options as to how to look at things. The Therapist wants to "enable" you. Help YOU be the catalyst to work towards dealing with things better. Perhaps help you with ways of coping in less harmful ways. For example, utilizing exercise as stress reliever rather than self harm. We aren't machines, we can't just forget abuse or trauma,hoping it will go away. But adopting a therapy / medical model approach can be so beneficial. It's just means persisting in a trial and error approach and eventually landing on the most therepeutic intervention.

The one thing I'm a 100% certain on is the need to share. There are people out there who WANT to help. We all have a value, mean something and yes, are in a position to help others. If you think you are worthless you are sadly mistaken. The importance of just listening to someone is incalculable and can literally mean the difference between life and death. Being there for someone who thinks "no one cares" is so so important. So please share, tell someone your struggling, even asking "can I spend a little time with you, I don't feel very well " can help you feel better. At a time when we celebrate the life of a man born 2000 years ago, who only wanted us to look after one another I myself can testify the thing that makes me feel the happiest and contented is 2h3n you have done something to help people. It gives you that nice feeling inside doesn't it.

Take care all. Happy Easter

Happy Easter mate, you`re a star 💙
 
I was given 1 month notice late last night before bed by my landlord to leave. I know what I need to do, who I can get in touch with etc, but I'm seriously seriously panicking and full of anxiety and like, dread. I think that's the feeling. It's like I just can't handle change and it's made worse by how sudden it's all happened.

I feel so sick. As cringe and embarrassing as some may think but, I freeze up when it comes to any sort of adulting.

I hate this feeling
 
I was given 1 month notice late last night before bed by my landlord to leave. I know what I need to do, who I can get in touch with etc, but I'm seriously seriously panicking and full of anxiety and like, dread. I think that's the feeling. It's like I just can't handle change and it's made worse by how sudden it's all happened.

I feel so sick. As cringe and embarrassing as some may think but, I freeze up when it comes to any sort of adulting.

I hate this feeling

Sorry to hear that mate, is one month notice all they have to give in your rental contract? I’m a bit similar to you in hating change.

If it’s going to happen just wake up tomorrow and try your best to lock in to finding somewhere else. Check rightmove, local estate agents etc. everything. Give yourself a goal to try tick off every day next week regarding it if you can. “Today I will scour the internet”, “today I will call a few estate agents”

Thinking about moving your stuff etc. can come after that.
 
Sorry to hear that mate, is one month notice all they have to give in your rental contract? I’m a bit similar to you in hating change.

If it’s going to happen just wake up tomorrow and try your best to lock in to finding somewhere else. Check rightmove, local estate agents etc. everything. Give yourself a goal to try tick off every day next week regarding it if you can.
Yeah legally one month seems to be ok. I find it hard to focus when I feel like this. All I can think about is stupid thoughts. I know it will pass eventually but while waiting for the stress to die down I struggle with rational thinking.
 
Yeah legally one month seems to be ok. I find it hard to focus when I feel like this. All I can think about is stupid thoughts. I know it will pass eventually but while waiting for the stress to die down I struggle with rational thinking.

Are there any friends/family members you can lean on to help do the rational thinking for you for a bit? Ask them to check websites etc. with you and keep you focused.
 

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