New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

[Drico]

on your last point, not at all, we are being scammed

the average cost of a bundesliga ticket, including vat and transport costs is 28 euro, or £24

admittedly there is less money in bundesliga, but they also don’t receive anywhere near as much cash as premier league clubs do in england. so they have much lower revenue streams but can still afford to keep prices low. and their top sides are competitive in european competition, with bayern, dortmund, leverkusen and frankfurt all either winning or making european finals since the turn of the decade

we need a ticketing price cap for home matches. and we need large scale protests and walk outs, empty crowds to really hamper the brand, players then saying how bad it is playing in empty stadium and that fans should be listened to etc, otherwise nothing will change for the better

I live in Berlin. I love the Bundesliga - the real best league in the world (when we are talking about fan experience). But the only reason the Bundesliga is cheaper than the Premier League is because it does not pay the salaries demanded by the top Premier League players. This is a choice. The only reason German clubs will not pay those salaries or transfer fees is they generally cannot afford to - Bayern excepted. This is also a choice. They cannot afford to pay them because German fans and, more reluctantly, administrators decided to maintain the 50+1 rule which basically ensures most clubs cannot be fully owned by foreign entities. If German football decided to do away with this law, the Premier League's financial dominance would, in theory, quickly erode as Germany is a bigger market, a bigger country, has bigger crowds and and has more of what we would call big clubs. The potential is huge. However, this would probably still founder on the reality that, unlike in the UK, Germans flatly refuse to be ripped off by Sky and satellite TV providers. So the domestic broadcasting revenue will never match England's. Another choice. Those Germans, eh? It's a matter of culture.

But up to now German football has held back the tide and consoled itself with having a top three league, one mega club, a fantastic fan culture, and a national team that usually competes with the best. The price? Being shut out of the market for most of the world's top players. Is this something the Premier League fan in England is willing to accept? Perhaps, but the evidence suggests there is definitely a market for the status quo. My point, overall, however, is you will not see Mo Salah or Erling Haaland in England if you do a Bundesliga. You'll see Erling or Kevin deBruyne for five minutes before they are spirited away, as Dortmund and Wolfsburg fans did. But you won't see the top players once they start attracting the moneyed clubs.

Of course, I think there is a much better balance to be had for English fans. The German model is definitely my preference - the standard is still very high and the prices are reasonable. But Manchester capitalism is central to the English soul, so it's no surprise it sold itself to the highest bidder. In my experience, German capitalism tends to have a social flavour, whereas in England it is let rip. The footballing cultures reflect this.

 

[DeloreanDev]

Yes, Club view has a self-contained concourse, level 3, but if you make your way across to eg Block 220 I assume you can join the level 2 concourse via that vomitory

Thanks, good to know

 

[Vaughan]

Now try getting a ticket. Just looked at Bayern's site (it's the closest). Nothing available unless you want to go to a women's game. Viagogo are selling single tickets for €440 upwards.

same could be said of liverpool and united here

 

[SingBlue]

I live in Berlin. I love the Bundesliga - the real best league in the world (when we are talking about fan experience). But the only reason the Bundesliga is cheaper than the Premier League is because it does not pay the salaries demanded by the top Premier League players. This is a choice. The only reason German clubs will not pay those salaries or transfer fees is they generally cannot afford to - Bayern excepted. This is also a choice. They cannot afford to pay them because German fans and, more reluctantly, administrators decided to maintain the 50+1 rule which basically ensures most clubs cannot be fully owned by foreign entities. If German football decided to do away with this law, the Premier League's financial dominance would, in theory, quickly erode as Germany is a bigger market, a bigger country, has bigger crowds and and has more of what we would call big clubs. The potential is huge. However, this would probably still founder on the reality that, unlike in the UK, Germans flatly refuse to be ripped off by Sky and satellite TV providers. So the domestic broadcasting revenue will never match England's. Another choice. Those Germans, eh? It's a matter of culture.

But up to now German football has held back the tide and consoled itself with having a top three league, one mega club, a fantastic fan culture, and a national team that usually competes with the best. The price? Being shut out of the market for most of the world's top players. Is this something the Premier League fan in England is willing to accept? Perhaps, but the evidence suggests there is definitely a market for the status quo. My point, overall, however, is you will not see Mo Salah or Erling Haaland in England if you do a Bundesliga. You'll see Erling or Kevin deBruyne for five minutes before they are spirited away, as Dortmund and Wolfsburg fans did. But you won't see the top players once they start attracting the moneyed clubs.

Of course, I think there is a much better balance to be had for English fans. The German model is definitely my preference - the standard is still very high and the prices are reasonable. But Manchester capitalism is central to the English soul, so it's no surprise it sold itself to the highest bidder. In my experience, German capitalism tends to have a social flavour, whereas in England it is let rip. The footballing cultures reflect this.

Hats off for living in Berlin - one of my favourite cities to visit. There may be a direct service there from Manila from later this year, which would give me a new route back to UK, and I'm okay with a long weekend there on the way back!

On the football thing, many, many years ago (around 20...) I was at a sports marketing conference in Singapore. I was sat next to, and had lunch with, a representative from the Bundesliga. What I got from him (again, 20 years ago) was that the Germans were envious of the value of the TV contracts the EPL got, particularly the overseas broadcasting. He was also complimentary of the way the broadcast revenue was split - International evenly, domestic via a mix of shared and merit. At that time the team finishing top would receive 1.66 times the broadcast revenue of the team at the bottom. Compare that to, say Spain, were Real and Barca negotiate their own TV deals and got (at that time) around 22 times the other clubs.

The other day I caught a piece with Kieran Maguire giving an interview on the radio. He mentioned the pricing at Premier League Clubs and how clubs were going to go hell for leather increasing ST and matchday ticket prices, because the market will bear it. Essentially he said footy tourism in the EPL is at an all time high, and the clubs want to leverage it. Doesn't bode well for the future.

Oh and when asked which team he supports (I was expecting it to be Mordor) - he's a Brighton fan.

 

[charlie atkins]

can the club hold you to the 3 year deal for village street, no way is it worth the money, I dont remember signing a 3 year contract

 

[Granada blue]

I was in club view v Chelsea, in row 61. I’m 72 so felt like I needed oxygen when I got up there. My ticket included a programme, £10 voucher for food and drink. Also, it supposedly included ex players around and about. I didn’t see any, has anyone seen ex blues in club view? It was fabulous though to finally see the new stadium, my dad’s stone and such a great win.

 

[Iana]

can the club hold you to the 3 year deal for village street, no way is it worth the money, I dont remember signing a 3 year contract

Your agreement/contract should have a specific clause relating to the duration of 3 years and I don’t think you would have got your ticket without signing up to it.

However, you can push back by clearly stating which parts of the overall contract they have not delivered or did sub-optimally. Eg. Seating availability, service levels, product availability,half time refreshments.

Ask them for a guarantee that they are going to provide these or you will view that as a breach of contract and will not renew and see what response you get*.

* this is not legal advice just a potential negotiating ploy that you might choose to apply or they do have the recourse to pursue you for the contract.

 

[davek]

Your agreement/contract should have a specific clause relating to the duration of 3 years and I don’t think you would have got your ticket without signing up to it.

However, you can push back by clearly stating which parts of the overall contract they have not delivered or did sub-optimally. Eg. Seating availability, service levels, product availability,half time refreshments.

Ask them for a guarantee that they are going to provide these or you will view that as a breach of contract and will not renew and see what response you get*.

* this is not legal advice just a potential negotiating ploy that you might choose to apply or they do have the recourse to pursue you for the contract.

It looks like there's a waiting list for that membership so the club should in good faith be able to end any contract early and not punish any member who wants to become an ex-member.

 

[Iana]

It looks like there's a waiting list for that membership so the club should in good faith be able to end any contract early and not punish any member who wants to become an ex-member.

I agree with that approach but it was clearly brought to everyone’s attention of the 3 year term for that type of membership.

It will be interesting to see/hear what happens!

 

[SJB]

can the club hold you to the 3 year deal for village street, no way is it worth the money, I dont remember signing a 3 year contract

In short - yes they can. In purchasing the ticket you agreed to the Seasonal Hospitality Ticket terms and conditions, which include a commitment to the three year term. Those t&c's can be found on the club's website.

 

[charlie atkins]

Your agreement/contract should have a specific clause relating to the duration of 3 years and I don’t think you would have got your ticket without signing up to it.

However, you can push back by clearly stating which parts of the overall contract they have not delivered or did sub-optimally. Eg. Seating availability, service levels, product availability,half time refreshments.

Ask them for a guarantee that they are going to provide these or you will view that as a breach of contract and will not renew and see what response you get*.

* this is not legal advice just a potential negotiating ploy that you might choose to apply or they do have the recourse to pursue you for the contract.

My biggest problem is the being there 3 hours before and not being able to sit. Im happy to move somewhere else like trinity bar, but not sure if that's an option. Better give them a ring
Cheers

 

[Drico]

Hats off for living in Berlin - one of my favourite cities to visit. There may be a direct service there from Manila from later this year, which would give me a new route back to UK, and I'm okay with a long weekend there on the way back!

On the football thing, many, many years ago (around 20...) I was at a sports marketing conference in Singapore. I was sat next to, and had lunch with, a representative from the Bundesliga. What I got from him (again, 20 years ago) was that the Germans were envious of the value of the TV contracts the EPL got, particularly the overseas broadcasting. He was also complimentary of the way the broadcast revenue was split - International evenly, domestic via a mix of shared and merit. At that time the team finishing top would receive 1.66 times the broadcast revenue of the team at the bottom. Compare that to, say Spain, were Real and Barca negotiate their own TV deals and got (at that time) around 22 times the other clubs.

The other day I caught a piece with Kieran Maguire giving an interview on the radio. He mentioned the pricing at Premier League Clubs and how clubs were going to go hell for leather increasing ST and matchday ticket prices, because the market will bear it. Essentially he said footy tourism in the EPL is at an all time high, and the clubs want to leverage it. Doesn't bode well for the future.

Oh and when asked which team he supports (I was expecting it to be Mordor) - he's a Brighton fan.

The German adminsitrators are definitely envious of the Premier League. They would sell their souls too, if they had their way. But the fans won't countenance it. Dortmund fans have been known to protest at the Westfalenstadion over the exceptions made to the 50+1 rule for the "plastic clubs" Bayer Leverkusen, RB Leipzig, Wolfsburg, and Hoffenheim - factory clubs, basically. Bayern, the best run club in the world, would also love to loosen that rule. Think about it from their perspective: they are already one of the three biggest clubs in Europe. Imagine what they would be if the financial constraints came off...

But that would kill what makes the Bundesliga unique in the eyes of many fans. The Premier League broadcasting split is very equitable. But then, it's easy to show some largesse when the "top" clubs are milking it from the Champions League. Let's see how equitable they will be at this new proposal to share THAT money among the rest of the league, too...

 

[Bluboyz]

I mentioned this before the stadium was even completed. A friend of mine is an architect who was involved in the project. He actually designed the water like paving on the plaza. This area and the paving all around the stadium cost a fortune and looks amazing. I forcast that it would sadly soon become covered in chewing gum and this is already evident. Lets get it straight. This is being done by so called Evertonians! Its a disgrace that these morons dont think twice about spitting it out anywhere but especially at our pristine new home. I will be pulling up anyone i see spoiling what has been created for us and i encourage others to do the same.

 

[Ray Purchase]

 

[summerisle]