New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

Anyone would think our stadium has been half empty with this comment, if they had of built 60k it would have more or less been filled. The club would have just had to look at the pricing structure and make it easier for people to buy the odd ticket without paying a membership fee.

What we are seeing is fatigue in the fanbase from 3 home games where we didn't win, a decimated squad and the umpteenth midweek games are coming up. Beat Leeds and get a few players back, show a bit of good football and people will make the effort to come out. Man utd will look after itself but games against Leeds and Bournemouth, where you might have to take a half day/day off work and might not get back until the early hours might be a few thousand under capacity. Bearing in mind most seats have still been paid for, isn't that bad.

If they went back to the StubHub model where fans could buy tickets off season ticket holders for a lot less than £70 the seats would be pretty much full every game.

The £70 ticket + membership costs is a big barrier to some fans. Lots of the regularly empty seats are more expensive hospitality tickets as well, some of those tickets are well over £100 a game.
 
I don't know where to start with this. Firstly, show me where I've ever said make it 80k. I would have been comfortable with 62k if you want to throw that against me. Secondly, I've just suggested a 1 adult and 1 child for £60 for midweek game against lower tier opposition where we are struggling to sell all tickets, hardly £20 a game is it?

I don't think the capacity will ever change bar safe standing but if it does then we'd have cost ourselves far more than building it to that level to start with. My frustration comes from people are using the fact there are a few thousand seats available, weeks away from an unprecedented 3rd midweek game in a row, against Bournemouth, to say we couldn't have made a 60k work. Yes the club may have to work harder to sell tickets but that's the same for most clubs up and down the country.
I wasn’t directly quoting you, I’m just saying this was an ongoing thing where it was pointed out that we weren’t really going to be offering discounted tickets when we had a new stadium to pay for and that realistically that had to be factored into our expectations but some people acted (and still act) like that wasn’t the case. Personally I’m not sure that even the type of deal you’re talking about would make a difference, I’m not sure that these extra people actually exist. As someone said a few posts up, we’re on target for our highest ever average attendance, I just don’t think there’s any evidence to support the idea that there are an extra 5-10k people out there on top of that who would be regularly turning up if it was a bit cheaper. It’s absolutely fine for you to think it and say it obviously, but we do need to acknowledge that it isn’t actually based on anything and is purely a speculative statement contrary to the evidence we have. As has been said a million times, if we’re winning every week and challenging at the top it’s different but attracting thousands of new fans to watch what’s actually on offer is a huge ask.
 
@Tom Hughes

Found the article in the Echo July 2o25 and this paragraph sticks out and this was from Jeff Kaplan of Andalusian Partners led the advisory for TFG on the acquisition of the Toffees in December

“What was attractive to the Friedkins in identifying the opportunity, and what was attractive to me, was the ability to buy an EPL team at a valuation far less than entry in the EPL, $500bn. We bought the team at less than fair market value and got a $1bn stadium for free"
Reminds me of Mrs Merton interviewing Debbie McGee, 'what attracted you to millionaire Paul Daniels?'
 
Also the other chance that this could be the start of our attendances declining. I might be wrong, but I think we are on course to have the highest average attendance in the club's history this year. We would do exceptionally well to maintain those numbers.

We are hamstrung by how unsuccessful we've been for so long in contrast with our neighbours. It's actually amazing we have the fan base that we currently have but I don't think that is guaranteed over the coming years.
And some have the cheek to call the fans impatient
 
@Tom Hughes

Found the article in the Echo July 2o25 and this paragraph sticks out and this was from Jeff Kaplan of Andalusian Partners led the advisory for TFG on the acquisition of the Toffees in December

“What was attractive to the Friedkins in identifying the opportunity, and what was attractive to me, was the ability to buy an EPL team at a valuation far less than entry in the EPL, $500bn. We bought the team at less than fair market value and got a $1bn stadium for free"

Yes, and of course it was not only the cost of acquisition of Moshiri's shares, but also the cost of consolidation of all the debts/Loans that carried over.... hence, the recent phased new share issues etc. So, while it was in many ways the bargain of the century, there was a bit more depth to it than the first-appearances of a freeby stadium etc.

How the club's finances are now structured including any ROI parameters, may well be pushing the tkt pricing envelope beyond its natural limits for our fanbase. In a league with a USP of full stadia (with very few exceptions), then empty seats so early in a new stadium's life, with all the associated effects/uplifts might indicate a need for some adjustments or flexibility in that pricing strategy.

As we've seen elsewhere, sale of tickets figures is not necessarily the same as actual attendances. Cross referencing another recurring theme, empty seats are not great for atmosphere and food sales. That said, the toilet congestion does improve. Every cloud?
 
I wasn’t directly quoting you, I’m just saying this was an ongoing thing where it was pointed out that we weren’t really going to be offering discounted tickets when we had a new stadium to pay for and that realistically that had to be factored into our expectations but some people acted (and still act) like that wasn’t the case. Personally I’m not sure that even the type of deal you’re talking about would make a difference, I’m not sure that these extra people actually exist. As someone said a few posts up, we’re on target for our highest ever average attendance, I just don’t think there’s any evidence to support the idea that there are an extra 5-10k people out there on top of that who would be regularly turning up if it was a bit cheaper. It’s absolutely fine for you to think it and say it obviously, but we do need to acknowledge that it isn’t actually based on anything and is purely a speculative statement contrary to the evidence we have. As has been said a million times, if we’re winning every week and challenging at the top it’s different but attracting thousands of new fans to watch what’s actually on offer is a huge ask.

The ticket sales for Sunderland and Mansfield were very good and those tickets were priced very well. There are quite a lot of fans locally who are priced out currently. Some just don't get the membership requirements either, I've had family members who thought you can't buy tickets for games anymore as there is no general sale.
 
Where are the 60k crew at. That would have been embarrassing. Looks like the club got it right
The crowds we get when watching 💩 in a bleak midwinter, with expensive tickets and issues getting them.

Imagine a half decent side never mind a successful one.

The fans are there.
The club also need to treat the fans better.

Both those inside and those who want to go but are hampered.
 
The ticket sales for Sunderland and Mansfield were very good and those tickets were priced very well. There are quite a lot of fans locally who are priced out currently. Some just don't get the membership requirements either, I've had family members who thought you can't buy tickets for games anymore as there is no general sale.
Sales for all games generally will be very good because we have a loyal and large fan base, that’s not in doubt. I think our attendances are quite remarkable given the circumstances, that’s kind of my point. I’m just not sure that we realistically have tens of thousands of additional people who would be turning up if tickets were marginally cheaper. Obviously there’s always going to be an issue between what your average person in the street thinks is ‘reasonable’ and what passes as reasonable in a corporate context. I still struggle to get my head round it being more than a fiver for a pint in my local but he’s not going to put his prices down because that’s just what the cost is these days. The same applies with the match, I’m sure there’s the potential to slightly reduce costs but it’s not going to be by a massive amount because that’s just how much it costs to see PL football these days, and I’m not sure the difference between £60 and £70 tickets is the deciding factor on whether people turn up personally.
 
Surely our Toyota overlords could put up a car as a prize if someone hits the crossbar three times in a row or something at half time

At the moment the prize is just a signed shirt if you hit it 💩
Most of those taking part actually manage to get the ball in the net at least, and considering we pay significantly more per week than the price of a Toyota to our two 'strikers' who seem incapable of managing that feat, you make a good point.
 
How are they able to schedule the games, is it no determined by the league?
Not sure to be honest. There was an interesting interview on the BBC site with the woman who heads up Arsenal women’s commercial team, and she just said there are two key factors to getting a sell-out - holding matches at weekends at suitable times for families, and the opposition. They piggyback the men’s team a bit by hyping up the Spurs game even though Spurs women aren’t a top side, so they got 57,000 for that one last season I think.
 
Said it before and I'm gonna say it again. The answer to the silence is a singing section. The atmosphere has been rotten at Goodison for years so lets not pretend that this season is something completely out of the ordinary. In reality its no worse then most Goodison games of the last five to ten years. It just feels worse because we're in totally new surroundings and all the lads who previously spent all game yelling have stopped because many of them aren't near the lads who always tolerated and even embraced it. We truly should've sorted a singing section this season, it was the perfect opportunity but we ballsed it up. Now is the time to do the reset. Do it now and set it up for 26-27. Once you get a section of people solidly making noise, more will come organically.
 
The club is its own worst enemy. The final season at Goodison and this first one at BMD got built up into something that its could never possibly live up to. We had a garbage team last season that delivered garbage results, now we have slightly better then garbage team that delivers slightly better then garbage results. Why would the atmosphere just magically improve when the results and profomnces are almost exactly the same?!

No fanbase is any different to ours in this. People who say that the atmosphere at places like Sunderland and the like Ignore the fact that their home atmospheres was the utter pits when they got relegated and only improved when their teams got better. Being among the better teams in the championship or even league one is likely far more fun then being among the worst in the PL because at least you go into games thinking that a win is not only a possibility, its likely more often then not. Even being among the worst in the PL is likely fun at first when there's a novelty to it after being out of the league for so long. However, when that's all you ever do, it just becomes an awful tedious borefest and that's what Everton has been for the best part of a decade now. A tedious borefest.
 
The club is its own worst enemy. The final season at Goodison and this first one at BMD got built up into something that its could never possibly live up to. We had a garbage team last season that delivered garbage results, now we have slightly better then garbage team that delivers slightly better then garbage results. Why would the atmosphere just magically improve when the results and profomnces are almost exactly the same?!

No fanbase is any different to ours in this. People who say that the atmosphere at places like Sunderland and the like Ignore the fact that their home atmospheres was the utter pits when they got relegated and only improved when their teams got better. Being among the better teams in the championship or even league one is likely far more fun then being among the worst in the PL because at least you go into games thinking that a win is not only a possibility, its likely more often then not. Even being among the worst in the PL is likely fun at first when there's a novelty to it after being out of the league for so long. However, when that's all you ever do, it just becomes an awful tedious borefest and that's what Everton has been for the best part of a decade now. A tedious borefest.

garbage 😂
 
The club is its own worst enemy. The final season at Goodison and this first one at BMD got built up into something that its could never possibly live up to. We had a garbage team last season that delivered garbage results, now we have slightly better then garbage team that delivers slightly better then garbage results. Why would the atmosphere just magically improve when the results and profomnces are almost exactly the same?!

No fanbase is any different to ours in this. People who say that the atmosphere at places like Sunderland and the like Ignore the fact that their home atmospheres was the utter pits when they got relegated and only improved when their teams got better. Being among the better teams in the championship or even league one is likely far more fun then being among the worst in the PL because at least you go into games thinking that a win is not only a possibility, its likely more often then not. Even being among the worst in the PL is likely fun at first when there's a novelty to it after being out of the league for so long. However, when that's all you ever do, it just becomes an awful tedious borefest and that's what Everton has been for the best part of a decade now. A tedious borefest.
A decade? At least three.
 
A decade? At least three.
I dunno mate. I truly feel like there's been snatches of optimism in there. Moyes had a five or so year run the first time when I sincerely believed we where capable of winning something and the atmosphere in Martinez's first season was pretty good but you're right that its definitely more then one decade and its probably over two.
 

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