New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

[Sam0697]

As it's our first season my guess is they'll review feedback and offer the option for people to change seats with other people?

Wouldn't put my hopes on the club doing that though unless the FAB or someone communicates it.

I know a season ticket holder who has asked the club about this, and they will be given an oppurtunity to do it around renewal time if you want to move elsewhere.

 

[Tom Hughes]

Lower Gwladys was like a separate stand to the Upper Gwladys, but we should be thinking of the entire South Stand to be one big Lower Gwladys Street with no Upper Gwladys if that makes sense.

This is the point, they said that they were going for a large single tier stand, repeatedly referencing Dortmund etc. However, in terms of number of rows they almost literally only replicated the Gwladys St, but without the overlapping tiers and with a much higher roof. I think the Gwladys St end is 58-59 rows in total and the South stand is 63 rows, so hardly any great increase there.... and it's still in 2 quite distinct tiers.

The original design had a small superiser and little or no dividing wall, to at least give the impression of a very large single tier (Just as Spurs did with their South Stand), promoting that greater unity. I think it was also over 70 rows. At some point in the process (probably when we lost the commonwealth games bid, or when Meis was temporarily sidelined) that seems to have been rationalised or value-engineered out.

There may have also been a slight rethink about safe-standing during the process. I can remember Richard Kenyon mentioning that in the initial fan surveys, they were surprised by how many ST holders in the Gwladys St Lower had said that they didn't want to relocate to a standing section in the South Stand Lower. Maybe this altered the approach or proportions in the final design.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Atmosphere would be better if the team was better. If you serve monotonous predictable slop on the pitch for decades then what do you realistically expect from fan atmosphere. Even if we were 2-0 up most Blues are probably thinking if there’s still time for this lot to lose 3-2.

The new stadium needs some big results and some memorable nights to get it properly going but we just don’t have the team to deliver it. Third round FA Cup tie, a hint of excitement in the air, and that team come out and decide they don’t fancy running for 45 minutes. Just don’t know what the fans can do in that situation.

 

[duncs pigeon]

There was always the oppotunity to move at GP until the last 2-3 seasons, when most sths kept their tkts ready for BMD. The club are looking at ways to allow fans to move in the future.

 

[Big Neville Southall]

This is the point, they said that they were going for a large single tier stand, repeatedly referencing Dortmund etc. However, in terms of number of rows they almost literally only replicated the Gwladys St, but without the overlapping tiers and with a much higher roof. I think the Gwladys St end is 58-59 rows in total and the South stand is 63 rows, so hardly any great increase there.... and it's still in 2 quite distinct tiers.

The original design had a small superiser and little or no dividing wall, to at least give the impression of a very large single tier (Just as Spurs did with their South Stand), promoting that greater unity. I think it was also over 70 rows. At some point in the process (probably when we lost the commonwealth games bid, or when Meis was temporarily sidelined) that seems to have been rationalised or value-engineered out.

There may have also been a slight rethink about safe-standing during the process. I can remember Richard Kenyon mentioning that in the initial fan surveys, they were surprised by how many ST holders in the Gwladys St Lower had said that they didn't want to relocate to a standing section in the South Stand Lower. Maybe this altered the approach or proportions in the final design.

Thats my understanding too. Once Everton get involved everything goes wrong!

I remember one of the reasons given was that it is the riser makes it less intimidating for fans looking down from the top.

I would have just put the safe standing at the very back and kept it as one.

 

[Drico]

Atmosphere would be better if the team was better. If you serve monotonous predictable slop on the pitch for decades then what do you realistically expect from fan atmosphere. Even if we were 2-0 up most Blues are probably thinking if there’s still time for this lot to lose 3-2.

The new stadium needs some big results and some memorable nights to get it properly going but we just don’t have the team to deliver it. Third round FA Cup tie, a hint of excitement in the air, and that team come out and decide they don’t fancy running for 45 minutes. Just don’t know what the fans can do in that situation.

It's funny. There's less tolerance of the atmosphere at the new stadium than there is this manager and his team's abject performances.

If we insist on treating the playing side as some feeble convalescent who "needs time" to defeat, erm, Sunderland, Wolves, and Brentford, why are we demanding a Galatasaray-like vibe in the new gaff?

Put an exciting team on the pitch and you'll get excited fans and an exciting atmosphere. Start declaring eighth or ninth might be the best (!) we can do in coming years, and, well, ya know...

 

[Saint Domingo]

It's funny. There's less tolerance of the atmosphere at the new stadium than there is this manager and his team's abject performances.

If we insist on treating the playing side as some feeble convalescent who "needs time" to defeat, erm, Sunderland, Wolves, and Brentford, why are we demanding a Galatasaray-like vibe in the new gaff?

Put an exciting team on the pitch and you'll get excited fans and an exciting atmosphere. Start declaring eighth or ninth might be the best (!) we can do in coming years, and, well, ya know...

They feed each other, but the club cannot say they haven’t had brilliant support and atmosphere from the fans during successive relegation battles. This fan base would be ready to explode if the team did even anything remotely good on the pitch but there’s hardly anything ever. How good did it feel around the club after we’d bested United away, everyone was absolutely buzzing, then it’s followed up by getting annihilated by rancid Spurs and Newcastle teams at home.

 

[Harryflashman]

I know a season ticket holder who has asked the club about this, and they will be given an oppurtunity to do it around renewal time if you want to move elsewhere.

I think it’ll be chaos managing that system mind

 

[Harryflashman]

They feed each other, but the club cannot say they haven’t had brilliant support and atmosphere from the fans during successive relegation battles. This fan base would be ready to explode if the team did even anything remotely good on the pitch but there’s hardly anything ever. How good did it feel around the club after we’d bested United away, everyone was absolutely buzzing, then it’s followed up by getting annihilated by rancid Spurs and Newcastle teams at home.

Spot on

Not much more than a week ago fans were on our way to BMD buzzing about 3 season defining games to set up the rest of our season .

Look where we are now & we got here with barely a whimper . The club /team need to do their bit

 

[davek]

Atmosphere would be better if the team was better. If you serve monotonous predictable slop on the pitch for decades then what do you realistically expect from fan atmosphere. Even if we were 2-0 up most Blues are probably thinking if there’s still time for this lot to lose 3-2.

The new stadium needs some big results and some memorable nights to get it properly going but we just don’t have the team to deliver it. Third round FA Cup tie, a hint of excitement in the air, and that team come out and decide they don’t fancy running for 45 minutes. Just don’t know what the fans can do in that situation.

Spot on.

 

[Gardocki]

I think the riser thing is being blown out of proportion here. The lower Gladys had a step in the days before all seating and had no roof covering The riser is essentially just a step.

I don't believe the riser is the issue, its the team quality and performance. Just like it was for most games at Goodison.

 

[Drico]

They feed each other, but the club cannot say they haven’t had brilliant support and atmosphere from the fans during successive relegation battles. This fan base would be ready to explode if the team did even anything remotely good on the pitch but there’s hardly anything ever. How good did it feel around the club after we’d bested United away, everyone was absolutely buzzing, then it’s followed up by getting annihilated by rancid Spurs and Newcastle teams at home.

Of all the big clubs in English football, our fans have been condemned to suffer consistent, grinding mediocrity untouched by uplift. Our lows haven't been as low as those of City, Villa, Leeds, or Newcastle, but our highs have, basically, been mere pick-me-ups compared to theirs. The four clubs I have mentioned have all been relegated over the last 30 years or so, but City have won the Champions League and multiple titles (basically surpassed our entire history in three decades), and the other three have been in the Champions League, some in the latter stages. Newcastle won the League Cup to go with their European involvement. In that time, we, basically, had one joyous season of Roberto. And even that ended in failure to make the CL. Moyes's best had the same outcome.

It's no wonder so many of our fans suffer from a poverty of imagination and ambition. We've not only been left behind by our former peers (the three big red clubs), but we've been surpassed by Chelsea, City, Spurs, Villa, and Newcastle. And that's before we contend with the small clubs having their greatest eras (Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth).

Nothing will change at Everton until somebody at the top decides they want to change it.

 

[Big Neville Southall]

Was thinking the other day that the derby is going to be the one to show what the place can hit when we are all motivated. Like you say it's whether we can get a result and then carry that forward.

Yeah it will be interesting. It can be deceiving too though, we could play a home derby in any stadium in the world, and the atmosphere would have times when its electric.

Its like I mention before with pitch led atmosphere, its the occasion and everyones up for it so it can mask shortcomings. Yet the following game when its back to normal and fans complain theyll be ignored because everyone will point to how great it was when Barry netted his hattrick against the Sh.te.

To balance the argument the derby will highlight the quality of the roof when theres a high participation of fan involvement.

My unknown with the roof is what is it like when only 100 or so fans are up for it? Plus where is the best place acoustically for those 100 fans to be for the roof to work best.

 

[Big Neville Southall]

I think the riser thing is being blown out of proportion here. The lower Gladys had a step in the days before all seating and had no roof covering The riser is essentially just a step.

I don't believe the riser is the issue, its the team quality and performance. Just like it was for most games at Goodison.

It was standing both sides of the step though during terracing, and thats the issue here.

You can get away with standing at the back and sitting at front as when when needed the front will stand. The other way round though you dont get standing at the back when only the front section is standing.

 

[Tom Hughes]

It's funny. There's less tolerance of the atmosphere at the new stadium than there is this manager and his team's abject performances.

If we insist on treating the playing side as some feeble convalescent who "needs time" to defeat, erm, Sunderland, Wolves, and Brentford, why are we demanding a Galatasaray-like vibe in the new gaff?

Put an exciting team on the pitch and you'll get excited fans and an exciting atmosphere. Start declaring eighth or ninth might be the best (!) we can do in coming years, and, well, ya know...

That's probably because it's the stadium thread. A Stadium that was supposed to have been specifically designed for atmosphere, for "home-field-advantage" as Meis said, with a "Blue wall" that would lead in that process by being compatible with Dortmund's "Yellow Wall." Not just when the team is winning or playing exciting football. I don't think that anyone disputes that the place will boom when that happens.