Chris Kavanagh

[windymiller]

The PGMOL are the problem.

Correct. VAR isn't making decisions, people are. Incompetent people.

 

[yakublue]

He didn't yank him. He had his eye fixed on the ball and was looking to grab the guys shirt for leverage/protection as players do virtually every time they jump.
It was completely accidental and over in less than a second.

Mate he literally grabs him by the ponytail (see below). Doesn't look remotely like he's trying to grab his shirt.

 

[Marcus Kendall]

Mate he literally grabs him by the ponytail (see below). Doesn't look remotely like he's trying to grab his shirt.


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Look! Still picture alert! Always makes things look 100 per cent worse. I wish people would stop with this and the use of slow mo's to emphasise their point

 

[DualityNSNO]

Look! Still picture alert! Always makes things look 100 per cent worse. I wish people would stop with this and the use of slow mo's to emphasise their point

In the video it looks even more like he's pulling his hair down though.

 

[yakublue]

Look! Still picture alert! Always makes things look 100 per cent worse. I wish people would stop with this and the use of slow mo's to emphasise their point

Good luck with your worthy campaign to eradicate the practice of reviewing footage to determine what happened

 

[blulouie]

Mate he literally grabs him by the ponytail (see below). Doesn't look remotely like he's trying to grab his shirt.


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Did you defend the ref & var this much when we've had players wrestled to the floor in the box , plus the many woeful decisions we've had just this season ?

 

[ToffeeTim]

Mate he literally grabs him by the ponytail (see below). Doesn't look remotely like he's trying to grab his shirt.


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It was clearly an accident and over in less than a second

I have no idea how people can say it was deliberate. That means there was intent. There clearly wasn't intent to do it.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

It wouldn't surprise if this cretin was on the panel that upheld the red card .

 

[Bclay]

Good luck with your worthy campaign to eradicate the practice of reviewing footage to determine what happened

He's not against reviewing the footage, he's against using slow motion. Slow motion is a problem when intent factors into decisions, because it makes everything look intentional.

 

[yakublue]

Did you defend the ref & var this much when we've had players wrestled to the floor in the box , plus the many woeful decisions we've had just this season ?

Erm, no? Not sure I understand the question. I'm just not surprised that Keane got sent off for pulling another player's hair or that the decision was upheld by VAR. Hair pulling is classified as violent conduct and he pulled his hair.

 

[yakublue]

He's not against reviewing the footage, he's against using slow motion. Slow motion is a problem when intent factors into decisions, because it makes everything look intentional.

Sure, I guess the question of "intent" is pretty difficult in this instance right? If a ball strikes a player's hand / arm then I think it's easy to argue that there was no intent. If you take hold of another player's hair and pull it downwards it feels like the mechanics of that need to have some sort of intent behind them. It's certainly not something that I've ever done by accident in all my years of playing football at a very low level!

 

[Raino85]

I think it was a red card he pulls his hair

I also think what people are confusing with the people that are saying its a red card is that they are sticking up for referee's

We will see (or not see as it will be a non event) something similar throughout the season and referee's or VAR will use this imaginary 'clear & obvious error' grey area to save themselves from the big headlines from certain managers and clubs criticism

Which comes to my next one, why do players never talk out about this obvious bias....Jack Grealish would never of got sent off if he was playing for Man City (FWIW he was childish and petulant and don't disagree with 2 yellows for him either) but the bar is bigger for certain clubs/players. Why dont players who have been at these bigger clubs ever speak about how harder it is to win a penalty, free kick etc at there new 'lesser; club

 

[blulouie]

Erm, no? Not sure I understand the question. I'm just not surprised that Keane got sent off for pulling another player's hair or that the decision was upheld by VAR. Hair pulling is classified as violent conduct and he pulled his hair.

Violent conduct .....er yeah ok.

 

[Simo]

Mate he literally grabs him by the ponytail (see below). Doesn't look remotely like he's trying to grab his shirt.


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Also looks like he's sticking his other hand in his crack, but they ignored that

 

[Toffeepot]

Did you defend the ref & var this much when we've had players wrestled to the floor in the box , plus the many woeful decisions we've had just this season ?

It is possible to see some decisions as right and others as wrong by the same organisation.

I think as a club we've complained and/or appealed the wrong decisions.

We should be up in arms about the similar incidents leading to pens against us but none for us. That's where the suspicion of corruption lies, not when our player pulls a lads hair or slaps his teammate