Summer Transfer Window 2025 Thread


Highly highly doubt we do anything until July 1st.

We were very close to PSR limit and despite fees being able to be deferred the agents fees/signing on fees would be this set of accounts as far as I’m aware.

Any point hoping for patience in here? Like driving through the baboons at the safari park.
Slightly off topic but Im doing some "menial" work for Fifa here in Seattle ( i live here) for this Cwc tournament. Regardless of the competition and thoughts thereof, there are some gems playing for some of these teams we have never seen before. I hope somebody at Everton at least downloaded the free app and is paying a passing interest. Without looking into it, both number 8 and 9 on the Japanese team were livewires...one reminded me of Adrian Heath in his heyday! Also watched the Brazilian team with a mate and there were two players that clearly stood out...later found out they were both earmarked for Forest!
Anyway, stay patient, whatever happens this summer is 10 times better than the last three or four!
 
The manager should serve the long term vision of the club.
Managers are always temporary , they either fail to achieve targets or succeed well enough to be offered a better job elsewhere.
The manager serves the club , not the other way around.
We have seen how relying on managers exclusively for strategy and direction can backfire dramatically when they depart Ferguson at Man. U and Moyes here.
Clubs must have an overall strategy and style which the manager is employed to implement to the best of his or her ability .
Image Forest told Clough he should “serve the vision of the club” and accept players being foisted on him! Fact is, if you have a good manager (like Moyes and Ferguson) you are better leaving them to it as they know what they are doing.
 
I like the concept of a small group of people acting collaboratively. There is too little time and too much information for the manager to do it, although they obviously have a pivotal role.

The nod to data analytics in the new structure is revealing. It doesnt confer an advantage anymore but it's a must-have. We'll never know the ins and outs but if Moyes was dead set on a certain player and the data suggests otherwise, who wins out?

We've been burnt badly in the last decade there is no foolproof way to do it but hopefully we have learned how not to do things as a start.
I agree. Wasn’t Moyes and his recruitment team here heavily into analytics? Seemed like a good system with lots of safeguards built in.

 

I agree. Wasn’t Moyes and his recruitment team here heavily into analytics? Seemed like a good system with lots of safeguards built in.

Way back in the day, before analytics and stuff, we had hold of the football manager database before anyone else. Which was down to Moyes.

He's always been ahead of the curve
 
I like the concept of a small group of people acting collaboratively. There is too little time and too much information for the manager to do it, although they obviously have a pivotal role.

The nod to data analytics in the new structure is revealing. It doesnt confer an advantage anymore but it's a must-have. We'll never know the ins and outs but if Moyes was dead set on a certain player and the data suggests otherwise, who wins out?

We've been burnt badly in the last decade there is no foolproof way to do it but hopefully we have learned how not to do things as a start.

Every team playing in at least a okay standard league now will be using analytics, most will be outsourcing / subscribing to companies with robust models and other might have some more bespoke models they keep to themselves if they feel it gives them a competitive edge.

To you point though, I honestly feel that say Moyes wants a winger... the data analytics returns 5 players in our price range. Let's say the metrics favour one player in particular, but upon scouting / eye-test / general sense of personalty, Moyes fancies the guy who ranked 3rd from 5 on the list, Moyes will have the power to say we are going for his guy over the guy the data ranked as 1st.
 
I agree. Wasn’t Moyes and his recruitment team here heavily into analytics? Seemed like a good system with lots of safeguards built in.


Moyes’ recruitment was fantastic in his first spell especially given the constraints he was operating under, absolutely brilliant. Imagine unearthing players as good as Arteta Pienaar Baines Lescott now? They’d be worth eye watering amounts. He also gifted us John Stones before he left, who was then sold for the highest fee for a CB at the time.

Like most managers it’s the strengths of the hits rather than the misses which is the important thing in recruitment. You only need to get a handful of the hits right for it to be viewed a success. No one remembers the money City wasted on Bony Mangala etc. in the early days when Aguero Silva Kompany Fernandinho formed a spine that lasted years and years. It was the same for Moyes, people go on about Kroldrup or Van der Meyde but look at the value he got from Howard Coleman Jagielka Lescott Baines Pienaar Arteta Cahill Fellaini Yakubu. Almost an entire team of brilliant buys that lasted us years and either increased in value or gave us their best years then moved on.

Moyes arguably laid the foundations for the modern Everton because given how precarious the finances were at times his recruitment was turning over gem after gem that were being sold and he then kept the team up and around Europe most seasons. I’d much rather have him calling the shots on recruitment than anyone else at Everton tbh.
 
Image Forest told Clough he should “serve the vision of the club” and accept players being foisted on him! Fact is, if you have a good manager (like Moyes and Ferguson) you are better leaving them to it as they know what they are doing.
LOL! Love it JFTM. They are basically the same. One definitely didn't take over the others title winning side and run them into the ground. You must be a relation of Moyes, otherwise you are the Moyes Ricky Ryder.
 

LOL! Love it JFTM. They are basically the same. One definitely didn't take over the others title winning side and run them into the ground. You must be a relation of Moyes, otherwise you are the Moyes Ricky Ryder.
Where did I say they were the same? They were the examples cited. But you don’t have to be arguably the best manager of all time to know what you are doing.

Let’s face it fans aren’t professionals who truly understand what it takes.
 
Fact is, if you have a good manager (like Moyes and Ferguson)

Where did I say they were the same? They were the examples cited. But you don’t have to be arguably the best manager of all time to know what you are doing.

Let’s face it fans aren’t professionals who truly understand what it takes.
You certainly equated them, Clough too if you look at the full quote. I imagine if you asked 100 football fans to complete the sequence Clough, Ferguson, insert manager here, 0 out of 100 would say "Moyes". Unless you were one of the 100, then it would be 1 out of 100.
 

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