2024/25 David Moyes

[WA Toffee]

I've already stated who I thought we should've gone for yesterday, if you're that bothered you can easily find my pointless suggestions in my recent posts, but who cares, it's all irrelevant now, isn't it? We've gone for the bland option, the low risk, low reward answer like we always do. Just survive, then one day, one glorious day we'll kick on. I've heard it over and over again. For decades. But we don't kick on. We release DVDs celebrating about finishing 7th. We talk about reaching cup finals as if that's the same as winning them. We talk about qualifying for the Europa League or the qualifying round of the Champions league as if that's the totality of our ambitions, going out in the knockout rounds. Is that better than now? Sure. Is it actually success. Obviously not. Until the culture at the club, and the attitude of the fans, becomes more exacting, more demanding we just continue to exist, to survive, to make up the numbers.

What boggles my mind is that the people that support this amongst the fan base are the same people that are terrified the most of relegation. Why? Honestly what's the difference between finishing 12th every season and playing in the Championship? Getting more coverage in the press, getting more millions to waste, getting all dewy eyed about playing Man City or Arsenal? Winning nothing in the PL, getting beat most weeks in the PL, just being in the PL, doesn't seem any better than playing in any other division.

For the record, I care a great deal about staying in the PL. Because at some point I want us to actually challenge for league titles again. Moyes will never, ever do that. He's not even a stepping stone on the way to it. He's an also ran, and so are we with him at the helm.

You decry staying in the premier league as a waste of time, but also care a great deal about staying in it. Could you elaborate on the nuance of that, because they appear contradictory?

And your entire premise appears to be built on his previous record with us, which is fair enough. But would finishing top 6 (as he regularly did) rather than 15th, 16th etc not put us in a better position to push forward?

 

[SJB]

All of them, every single one of them. You could make an argument for Leicester, they've won a league title and FA cup relatively recently. But the others, an irrelevance. Like it or not, the vast majority of the world lumps us in with those clubs. Appointments like Moyes won't change that. As ill fated as it was, and with no plan to build on it, appointing Ancelotti was the only time we looked to change our status. The other way is to go with the up and coming superstars, that's the way I'd prefer to do it but we've given up on all of that.

Appointing Ancelotti was a fluke not a plan though.

 

[Bluewolf]

The flip side is that if he struggles somewhat , there is a lot of pent up acrimony awaiting release.
He seriously eroded any residual goodwill by the manner of his departure and subsequent actions and comments.
Familiarity breeds contempt.
Tick tock, Dour Davey

Yeah, i do worry if we get beat against spurs and villa the people who didnt want him to begin with will start turning on moyes fast.

I think this is a very divisive appointment (more then i thought it would be tbh) and alot of fans will be desperate to be proven right.

Unfortunately i think moyes is under a massive microscope for the rest of the season by the fanbase.

Hopefully he'll smashing it and we will he safe by april and looking forward to next season and with a good summer of signings looking to push for a European spot

 

[Bluewolf]

The future was looking bright.

From where I'm sitting our PSR issues were resolving themselves with expiring contracts, debt restructuring, a new stadium, and new owners.

Now we have journeyed back in time 20 years.

I love shouts like this "took us back 20 years!" What the year we finished 4th? Bring it on!

Like when people say about politicians "he'll take us back to the 70s". You mean when a minimum wage job was enough to buy a house, 2 cars, have a stay at home wife and raise your 2 kids...oh no please, what horror.

My dad knew a petrol pump attendant had two houses in 70s. Retired as one, although he did die the night he retired after a bit of a racey dance with a 19 year old girl at the labour club but still two houses. Id have to rob a bank.

 

[Bluewolf]

But, but, but they made a decision quickly!

If it was more than a day or two they would be complaining that our owners couldn't make a decision.

Whatever happens, the basement dwellers will be here making a noise, led by their leader DaveK.

It is all painfully predictable, a wet dream for the admins on here. Click, click, click - PLEASE remove ad blockers etc.

Ill be honest i was hopeing that they'd sack dyche then announce the new manager an hour later but 24-48 hours is still decent like.

Makes me think maybe we were in for potter more then we think. As that might of been what we were looking to do but when we missed out we had to sack dyche anyway but didn't have the replacement lined up

 

[Tel001]

Who we thinking he brings in as coaches ?

They can’t find the keys mate , Sean parked them in the goal mouth over 2 years ago and they’ve never moved since .

 

[windymiller]

You decry staying in the premier league as a waste of time, but also care a great deal about staying in it. Could you elaborate on the nuance of that, because they appear contradictory?

And your entire premise appears to be built on his previous record with us, which is fair enough. But would finishing top 6 (as he regularly did) rather than 15th, 16th etc not put us in a better position to push forward?

It's quite simple, staying in the premier league just to bump around the bottom half is a waste of time, honestly what's the point? Staying in the premier league to, at some point, have a go at the top spots and competing to win the thing is what sport is about.

If we continue to hire has beens, also rans and never weres we do the former, if we try something different then maybe we can do something towards getting to the latter. Appointing Moyes is literally doing the same things we've always done and those things don't work, we have at least two decades, some may argue more than three decades, of doing what we're doing now and we get further from the leading clubs all the time. Don't let those top six finishes fool you, despite looking respectable on paper we were miles off actually competing in that time. Just look at Moyes' record against the "big" clubs, particularly away from home, it was woeful. He's small time and as long as he's here, we're small time too.

 

[Tel001]

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Looking forward to a Chinese signing , a child prodigy coming through and the “magnificent seventh” dvd at the end of next season

 

[Tel001]

Yakubu is still only 33 so….

Nah his birth certificate is wrong he’s turning 30 this June

 

[windymiller]

Looking forward to a Chinese signing , a child prodigy coming through and the “magnificent seventh” dvd at the end of next season

Don't do DVDs any more so we'll have to organise an open top bus from the ashes Goodison, past BMD and through the centre of town to celebrate the incredible achievement of finishing 12th. Goooooooooooooooood times.

 

[Bkk Andy]

The problem for any new manager here is unrealistic expectations. The dice are pretty much loaded for titles for a few clubs only. Lower European places are competitive but achievable but that will take time. We have a relegation battle squad, it needs major surgery and financial rules prevent us from spending our way to success. It's a process and is very likely to take more than the 2.5 year contract he's been given. Get us safe this season, move us away from the relegation battle into midtable the following 2 and ready to attack the Euro places the year after with a new manager. Job done. I'm not expecting miracles.

 

[bernie inn]

I get it. My suggestion is a greater risk. But there's risk to this too. The risk that this inertia continues. The risk that we become ingrained in football culture as one of the irrelevant clubs. A club that the top managers and players will never consider. A club that will never return to glory. I fear that more than relegation. I think there's a very real chance that we've already reached that point. I hope not.

We reached that point 30 years ago, the game is rigged to stop teams being able to do that now. Football now is primarily a business that as long as it turns over and keeps making money then that’s fine.
Leicester won the league and we’re relegated not long after, are they glorious?

We may get to Europe we may get a cup. But to go on a prolonged run of glory years, unless everything changes is not going to happen.

Watch the game enjoy it or get annoyed by it depending on the results. Then move on until the next one.

 

[WA Toffee]

It's quite simple, staying in the premier league just to bump around the bottom half is a waste of time, honestly what's the point? Staying in the premier league to, at some point, have a go at the top spots and competing to win the thing is what sport is about.

If we continue to hire has beens, also rans and never weres we do the former, if we try something different then maybe we can do something towards getting to the latter. Appointing Moyes is literally doing the same things we've always done and those things don't work, we have at least two decades, some may argue more than three decades, of doing what we're doing now and we get further from the leading clubs all the time. Don't let those top six finishes fool you, despite looking respectable on paper we were miles off actually competing in that time. Just look at Moyes' record against the "big" clubs, particularly away from home, it was woeful. He's small time and as long as he's here, we're small time too.

First paragraph, I agree completely.

The second, yes, we were miles off the top 4 during Moyes tenure (apart from the one season we actually made top 4, and other we missed out only on the last day), but I think people are forgetting how hard it was to get points away from home against them.

If I recall correctly, the top 4 at the time went something like 6 years, maybe 7, losing only a combined 3 games at home against other non top 4 sides.
It wasn't just Moyes that couldn't beat them, no one could.

 

[Bkk Andy]

It's quite simple, staying in the premier league just to bump around the bottom half is a waste of time, honestly what's the point? Staying in the premier league to, at some point, have a go at the top spots and competing to win the thing is what sport is about.

If we continue to hire has beens, also rans and never weres we do the former, if we try something different then maybe we can do something towards getting to the latter. Appointing Moyes is literally doing the same things we've always done and those things don't work, we have at least two decades, some may argue more than three decades, of doing what we're doing now and we get further from the leading clubs all the time. Don't let those top six finishes fool you, despite looking respectable on paper we were miles off actually competing in that time. Just look at Moyes' record against the "big" clubs, particularly away from home, it was woeful. He's small time and as long as he's here, we're small time too.

Take a look at the list of premier league winners since 2000. Outside of the 5000-1 Leicester miracle, no one unexpected has competed to "win the thing". It's not just down to hiring a manager. The sport has changed and most clubs have next to no chance of winning the title.

 

[windymiller]

We reached that point 30 years ago, the game is rigged to stop teams being able to do that now. Football now is primarily a business that as long as it turns over and keeps making money then that’s fine.
Leicester won the league and we’re relegated not long after, are they glorious?

We may get to Europe we may get a cup. But to go on a prolonged run of glory years, unless everything changes is not going to happen.

Watch the game enjoy it or get annoyed by it depending on the results. Then move on until the next one.

Which do you find you do more often? I'm getting on a bit now, I've seen us win things, it was great. I've also seen us be pretty terrible but still play enjoyable football, that was fun too. Now, we play terrible football, win a lot less than we lose and an awful lot less than we lose or draw nil nil and just eke out an existence. There's so little joy, so little hope. There's a lot of talk of how certain managers would crumble in the heat of Goodison Park but the place just seems numbed to me now. Yes, there's boos at half time and full time but most of the time the atmosphere is dead. I don't think there's all that many fans who really enjoy supporting us now. It's fun hanging out with friends and family for the afternoon but other than that supporting Everton is more of an obligation than a pleasure these days. It doesn't have to be this way, it shouldn't be something we accept blithely.