2024/25 David Moyes

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windymiller said:
All of them, every single one of them. You could make an argument for Leicester, they've won a league title and FA cup relatively recently. But the others, an irrelevance. Like it or not, the vast majority of the world lumps us in with those clubs. Appointments like Moyes won't change that. As ill fated as it was, and with no plan to build on it, appointing Ancelotti was the only time we looked to change our status. The other way is to go with the up and coming superstars, that's the way I'd prefer to do it but we've given up on all of that.
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We are an irrelevant club, what would ever make you think otherwise?

You do realise every single player we buy now wasn’t alive when we were good at football.
 
windymiller said:
We've got 19 games left this season. That's literally half a season. It's been decided by the club, and by loads on here, that what we need is a firefighter, even if that results in a delay in the plan to develop the club beyond its current status. My argument is that if there was a plan that, should we have made it to the summer under Dyche's tenure as a PL club, we would bring someone in with the vision to do something different than just surviving, then there was enough time, and a transfer window, to start that now. We should have gone for it. I always, deep down, knew we wouldn't. We're not a "going for it" type of organisation. I hoped we might be under TFG but they're apparently just more of the same.

Sooner or later "prolonging us in the league" has to cease being the limit of our ambitions. Or we might as well just pack it up.
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I don't think Moyes is a firefighter or a prolonging us on the league manager. He's a bit more than that.

Dyche, Allardyce and the like are that. Moyes did a bit more and left us and West Ham in good places when he left. His record suggest with a bit of time he can keep you up and also get you in a good position in the league to build from.

If it was the summer then Moyes wouldn't even be on the table as manager in my opinion but the appalling performance by Dyche this season and his meeting with TFG left them with no other option than to sack him and have to find a replacement. From what I've read, not many managers were keen on taking us on in Jan or in the position we are. Moyes is one of the best options in that situation as like I said, he's not just a Dyche who will be an emergency manager to try to keep you up, but he can be a manger to do a bit more and transition us into the next chapter.

It's not what the majority of us wanted but from where I'm looking, we didn't have a lot of choices.
 
bluestevon said:
Why exactly is Moyes a firefighter appointment?

That epitaph I always feel is aimed at those managers who come in as they are known to be able to scrape over 39/40 points just about every season.

Moyes has never been a firefighter - in his career the past 23 seasons his record at the two clubs he spent longest at was coming in - keeping them up and then pushing the team on, look at the state of west ham pre Moyes and now.

Went from a yo yo club to one who now regularly qualifies for Europe and win a European trophy.

Appointing Moyes if anything is a move away from the one year keep us up mentality we had with Allardyce and Dyche - you appoint Moyes if you want to try to progress to a certain point as a team imo.
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He’s perceived by TFG as a firefighter hence why they wanted him to come in for six months. That’s the issue for some people because he’s a slow methodical builder of football teams who plays mediocre footy. Hence why appoint him when that’s not the way we want to play?!
 
Gene Parmesan said:
I think it’s a bit of an insult to Moyes comparing him to Dyche. They are leagues apart in terms of what they’ve achieved in their careers.
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Agreed, Moyes is levels above Dyche as a manager. Did anyone see Merson talking about Everton (I only watched fir comedy vslue). When Mourinho's name was linked, Personality actually said he thought Dyche was a better manager. The tripe that fella comes out with, I can't understand how he still gets a wage as a pundit!
 
bluestevon said:
Why exactly is Moyes a firefighter appointment?

That epitaph I always feel is aimed at those managers who come in as they are known to be able to scrape over 39/40 points just about every season.

Moyes has never been a firefighter - in his career the past 23 seasons his record at the two clubs he spent longest at was coming in - keeping them up and then pushing the team on, look at the state of west ham pre Moyes and now.

Went from a yo yo club to one who now regularly qualifies for Europe and win a European trophy.

Appointing Moyes if anything is a move away from the one year keep us up mentality we had with Allardyce and Dyche - you appoint Moyes if you want to try to progress to a certain point as a team imo.
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It took Moyes quite a long time first time out, to shift the team from being relegation fodder playing % football to one that played on the front foot, but he showed he could do it.

I'm amazed he's lumped in as like a long ball merchant. Into his tenure he had teams that had Arteta, Peinaar, Osman and Cahill all in the same team, essentially fitting 4 small number 10's into the same team. That was also with 2 attacking fullbacks (before they were really a thing) and often we have Heitinga at Centre back who is more akin to a sweeper. I'm not making a comparison in total style, or success, but there were some similarities to what Pep did at City where he introduced lots of players comfortable with the ball. There's lots of criticisms, by the end he was too cautious, held the likes of Barkley back, but we were really not a long ball merchant under him at all.

Like I don't mean this nastily about the fella at all, but like Coleman wasn't some unique outstanding pro of that time either. The 4 I've mentioned, Baines, Jagielka, Carsley, Weir etc you'd probably have mentioned above him. What's interesting though, is even at like 36 his attitude is miles better than most of the squad. I think that says a lot about the sort of teams Moyes put together.

I digress slightly, it took him time to make the transition. It may be with more funds compared to what he had previously, this can be achieved more quickly.

I think he will also set up a proper operation at the club too. He didn't just leave a good team, he left a great set up, coaches, academy, sports science department etc. You would probably say at the end as a manager he almost didn't make the most of it. Given what TFG have done at Roma, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we has like an upstairs move at some point, and focusses on the remit above. And rather than amateurs, or agents building the club back, you have someone who sort of knows what they are doing.
 
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