2024/25 David Moyes

[windymiller]

First paragraph, I agree completely.

The second, yes, we were miles off the top 4 during Moyes tenure (apart from the one season we actually made top 4, and other we missed out only on the last day), but I think people are forgetting how hard it was to get points away from home against them.

If I recall correctly, the top 4 at the time went something like 6 years, maybe 7, losing only a combined 3 games at home against other non top 4 sides.
It wasn't just Moyes that couldn't beat them, no one could.

Very few really tried. It's why that Leicester year was brilliant. I know they're a bunch of bad Tory trolls down there but I was made up for them. I also loved how they went for the jugular when they had the opportunity. Forest are a bit like that this year, they don't respect reputations. Yes, they get men behind the ball but when they attack they do so in numbers and they do it at Anfield just like they do it at Goodison (that's how far apart we are from the RS, I can use us as poles of a spectrum). OK, it went bad for Leicester, it'll probably go bad for Forest. But they won things. I'd trade a relegation or two for a league title, no question. It's been attritional watching and supporting Everton, I had hope this would change under TFG. Then we re-signed David Moyes.

 

[Frenk]

I just hope this talk about a 2.5 year contract is a bit of BS to get the players believing he's someone they have to answer to fr the foreseeable but in reality he's got a 5 month deal.

The notion of this washed up sack of haunting the club with his tat for another 2 years on top is making me sick.

Says the person who backs all managers.

 

[Rooney_Tunes]

Says the person who backs all managers.

He only backs the manager when the majority don't and vice versa.

Not sure what the agenda is but just makes him look silly.

 

[KaiserEFC]

He’ll be gone inside of 18 months. Same as pretty much any manager they have actually

 

[bluestevon]

We've been saying this for how long now? Ten years? Twenty? Thirty? How does Moyes do anything but prolong that? He was here for 11 years and got us to one cup final, and we were better then than now. It's more of the same. Arrested development. The story of Everton FC in the premier league era.

Thing is, why were we better then than now? cos I can tell you the squad Moyes took over was absolutely garbage even compared to this current one.

Can't ignore the simple fact that with pretty much zero funds Moyes built a team that was the 'best of the rest'.

Is he right for now, dunno, but I can guarantee that even with just decent funding from TFG over two and a half seasons Notes will transform this squad into one which won't be looking over it's shoulder ever season at a relegation fight in April.

Ultimately getting g to that point then handing the reigns on to a younger more ambitious manager may mark his final legacy and one that puts in place the future we all hope for (the wanting it then moment TFG came trough the door was always gonna be ignoring reality of how bad our situation was/is).

Moyes when he left Everton first time handed over a squad to Martinez that with a few very good additions was able to have a great season the following - had Martinez been a top manager that would or should hsve been the catalyst for this club newly taken over and having money to burn turning into a side that stayed near that place.

Problem was Martinez was a badly flawed manager, we got taken over by a complete imbecile, we had the meddling of Bill and we had no sustainable financial growth due to Goodison.

My hope is Moyes repeats what he did last time, we hand on after to a Martinez type who isn't flawed, TFG prove they can long term plan wisely, and BMD enables sustainable growth.

Can 'this' Moyes do that, time will show frankly, but I'm not entirely despondent about him returning like I initially was.

 

[bluestevon]

We've got 19 games left this season. That's literally half a season. It's been decided by the club, and by loads on here, that what we need is a firefighter, even if that results in a delay in the plan to develop the club beyond its current status. My argument is that if there was a plan that, should we have made it to the summer under Dyche's tenure as a PL club, we would bring someone in with the vision to do something different than just surviving, then there was enough time, and a transfer window, to start that now. We should have gone for it. I always, deep down, knew we wouldn't. We're not a "going for it" type of organisation. I hoped we might be under TFG but they're apparently just more of the same.

Sooner or later "prolonging us in the league" has to cease being the limit of our ambitions. Or we might as well just pack it up.

Why exactly is Moyes a firefighter appointment?

That epitaph I always feel is aimed at those managers who come in as they are known to be able to scrape over 39/40 points just about every season.

Moyes has never been a firefighter - in his career the past 23 seasons his record at the two clubs he spent longest at was coming in - keeping them up and then pushing the team on, look at the state of west ham pre Moyes and now.

Went from a yo yo club to one who now regularly qualifies for Europe and win a European trophy.

Appointing Moyes if anything is a move away from the one year keep us up mentality we had with Allardyce and Dyche - you appoint Moyes if you want to try to progress to a certain point as a team imo.

 

[Nightman]

If you told 16-year-old me in 2002 that David Moyes will very likely be manager of Everton on my 40th, having very likely never won a trophy for us, I would have never believed it.

I can't even say it's the wrong appointment; it's the safest option for this season IMO.

Shines a light of the gross mismanagement of our club, this century, though.

 

[Moomin]

Remember when Howard came back for the second stint with us, that ended in tears and so will allowing the King Ratsnake back into Goodison.

 

[Kayj]

Love having Davey back!

No grudges here.

Last time we were a good team was when Davey was here.

Built a great squad with 0 money and any game we went into I always felt we could win.

Been so long since I've had that feeling..

Martinez did well the first season with what Davey had built but was exposed when he put his own spin on things..

Welcome home Davey!!!

 

[DayL08]

Thing is, why were we better then than now? cos I can tell you the squad Moyes took over was absolutely garbage even compared to this current one.

Can't ignore the simple fact that with pretty much zero funds Moyes built a team that was the 'best of the rest'.

Is he right for now, dunno, but I can guarantee that even with just decent funding from TFG over two and a half seasons Notes will transform this squad into one which won't be looking over it's shoulder ever season at a relegation fight in April.

Ultimately getting g to that point then handing the reigns on to a younger more ambitious manager may mark his final legacy and one that puts in place the future we all hope for (the wanting it then moment TFG came trough the door was always gonna be ignoring reality of how bad our situation was/is).

Moyes when he left Everton first time handed over a squad to Martinez that with a few very good additions was able to have a great season the following - had Martinez been a top manager that would or should hsve been the catalyst for this club newly taken over and having money to burn turning into a side that stayed near that place.

Problem was Martinez was a badly flawed manager, we got taken over by a complete imbecile, we had the meddling of Bill and we had no sustainable financial growth due to Goodison.

My hope is Moyes repeats what he did last time, we hand on after to a Martinez type who isn't flawed, TFG prove they can long term plan wisely, and BMD enables sustainable growth.

Can 'this' Moyes do that, time will show frankly, but I'm not entirely despondent about him returning like I initially was.

If Moyes does well over 2 years doubt he wants to hand over to someone else. Why would he - he’d still only be 63

One of the reasons I’ve never wanted him back. He will do well enough to get a new contract but won’t be able to get us back to fighting for the league given his flaws. That has to be our aim even if some of you will say it’s unrealistic

Suddenly you’re another 5-10 years qualifying for Europe but no silverware (I never expected him to win any pot so he did prove me wrong there). That will be fine for some but I want more

 

[Ferguson1878]

Anyone heard the rumour about Moyes apparently enjoying himself a bit to much in the Titanic hotel Friday night ?

 

[Ferguson1878]

Anyone heard the rumour about Moyes apparently enjoying himself a bit to much in the Titanic hotel Friday night ?

 

[jazzy]

Why exactly is Moyes a firefighter appointment?

That epitaph I always feel is aimed at those managers who come in as they are known to be able to scrape over 39/40 points just about every season.

Moyes has never been a firefighter - in his career the past 23 seasons his record at the two clubs he spent longest at was coming in - keeping them up and then pushing the team on, look at the state of west ham pre Moyes and now.

Went from a yo yo club to one who now regularly qualifies for Europe and win a European trophy.

Appointing Moyes if anything is a move away from the one year keep us up mentality we had with Allardyce and Dyche - you appoint Moyes if you want to try to progress to a certain point as a team imo.

I agree in large part.

Unlike Dyche , Pulis , Allardyce, Warnock - the traditional firefighters - Moyes will be able to lay foundations for a future manager.

However he is a safer pair of hands than other new managers in our situation because he is a pragmatist who won't make wholesale changes overnight and will work with the players to gradually effect change.

So yeah technically not a firefighter but someone who should be more than capable of avoiding relegation.

 

[DrEFC]

Anyone heard the rumour about Moyes apparently enjoying himself a bit to much in the Titanic hotel Friday night ?

Elaborate or is the AI picture accurate?

 

[jceverton]

I’m not sure 5 top six finishes in 11 seasons is regularly.