2024/25 David Moyes

[billyblue80]

I know mate I get it but how long do we keep investing ourselves into the club?

It’s always something we’ve been 4 years away from an owner, manager or investment to be successful again. It’s always something we’ve been like this for 30 odd years. Now again it’s foundations again with Moyes and another couple of years of some progressive to make the jump.

So if we’re lucky maybe only maybe we might be competitive in 2030.

How about the fans say to the club, give us a shout when you’re serious about actually being successful. Maybe we can take timeout for a couple of years while foundations are laid.

Don't disagree in one sense I crave what you crave but also think now would be a big gamble our squad lacks quality and Dyche has regressed us for me, to the point where we cannot even score goals or win games and are one point from the bottom three, so we need footings for the progressive manager you speak of. We need a long term dof, ceo and much more some standards. We could appoint Pep now and it would not work due to these factors. So I agree with you and share the frustrations, but it has to be when we are in the position to do it. Get the frustration but it will take time there is no silver bullet

 

[Blue Smoke]

You do realise that there may have been a stack of managers who were approached and swiftly said no thanks?

 

[JLW]

We've got 19 games left this season. That's literally half a season. It's been decided by the club, and by loads on here, that what we need is a firefighter, even if that results in a delay in the plan to develop the club beyond its current status. My argument is that if there was a plan that, should we have made it to the summer under Dyche's tenure as a PL club, we would bring someone in with the vision to do something different than just surviving, then there was enough time, and a transfer window, to start that now. We should have gone for it. I always, deep down, knew we wouldn't. We're not a "going for it" type of organisation. I hoped we might be under TFG but they're apparently just more of the same.

Sooner or later "prolonging us in the league" has to cease being the limit of our ambitions. Or we might as well just pack it up.

Yeah some are happy to exist.

How sad is it that we still talk about a 5-1 win away at Brighton 2 years ago.
One of the things that will get shown on the big screen at the last game will Palace staying up Bournemouth and Wimbledon.

For many fans they will be the most memorable and that’s sad.
Our fans are so loyal that just being at the game is enough.

 

[Rita_Poon]

They are beyond pointless.

 

[davek]

I just hope this talk about a 2.5 year contract is a bit of BS to get the players believing he's someone they have to answer to fr the foreseeable but in reality he's got a 5 month deal.

The notion of this washed up sack of haunting the club with his tat for another 2 years on top is making me sick.

 

[SJB]

You do realise that there may have been a stack of managers who were approached and swiftly said no thanks?

I think when there's new owners at a club agents will start hawking their managers to the club even when a manager is in place because they see an opportunity. The fact our pool seemed to extend no further than Potter and Moyes speaks volumes about where we are as a club.

 

[JLW]

I just hope this talk about a 2.5 year contract is a bit of BS to get the players believing he's someone they have to answer to fr the foreseeable but in reality he's got a 5 month deal.

The notion of this washed up sack of haunting the club with his tat for another 2 years on top is making me sick.

We will have a new manger before 2025 is up.

I wonder if Gonzo had a help in the firing of Dyche and the hiring of Moyes?

 

[Bilbo]

You do realise that there may have been a stack of managers who were approached and swiftly said no thanks?

Who, exactly?

 

[Gazz]

I get the point and agree we want to progress and compete but we aren't even midtable right now Moyes has progressed teams to that and beyond eventually in the case of West Ham and us. No we aren't going to make a Newcastle or Villa leap under him(not just because of him as a coach but our squad is not at that level and we haven't invested enough in recent years in it, we have had to sell most players with cutting edge and quality) but he could certainly do better than Dyche because Moyes for however much he cuts his cloth and can be dour, he does coach and can and has improved players.

Yeah, we're a relegation battle team and have been for consecutive seasons with an aging squad worth eff all and some people are making plans for managers to come in and take us to fighting for a space at the top of the table. Isn't going to happen. There are exceptions to the rule, but that kind of thing doesn't happen in football. I'm not ecstatic about Moyes appointment but I get it, and I can see how we can improve under him. People saying 'he'll take us midtable and then what?' as if that isn't a massive improvement for us currently. Some fans need a shot of reality.

 

[windymiller]

I think "made it to the summer under Dyche" means just scraping through to May, if we did that what foundations are there for the next manager? We're needing a complete rebuild imo which requires pragmatism and experience. I wouldn't want to ruin a young manager's career by throwing him into that tbh.

I get it. My suggestion is a greater risk. But there's risk to this too. The risk that this inertia continues. The risk that we become ingrained in football culture as one of the irrelevant clubs. A club that the top managers and players will never consider. A club that will never return to glory. I fear that more than relegation. I think there's a very real chance that we've already reached that point. I hope not.

 

[Efcjake]

I thought it was fine
Do you just want them to echo your minority annoyance at the appointment of Moyes?

No, they were set up by Kenwright to quell fan unrest under Moshiri. They do nothing at all and serve no purpose.

 

[windymiller]

Sure, I apologize for reading it wrong, but you still haven;t mentioned who do you want? Maybe I can join this "progressive young manager" supporter forum who will instantaneously work miracles. Pray do tell.

I've already stated who I thought we should've gone for yesterday, if you're that bothered you can easily find my pointless suggestions in my recent posts, but who cares, it's all irrelevant now, isn't it? We've gone for the bland option, the low risk, low reward answer like we always do. Just survive, then one day, one glorious day we'll kick on. I've heard it over and over again. For decades. But we don't kick on. We release DVDs celebrating about finishing 7th. We talk about reaching cup finals as if that's the same as winning them. We talk about qualifying for the Europa League or the qualifying round of the Champions league as if that's the totality of our ambitions, going out in the knockout rounds. Is that better than now? Sure. Is it actually success. Obviously not. Until the culture at the club, and the attitude of the fans, becomes more exacting, more demanding we just continue to exist, to survive, to make up the numbers.

What boggles my mind is that the people that support this amongst the fan base are the same people that are terrified the most of relegation. Why? Honestly what's the difference between finishing 12th every season and playing in the Championship? Getting more coverage in the press, getting more millions to waste, getting all dewy eyed about playing Man City or Arsenal? Winning nothing in the PL, getting beat most weeks in the PL, just being in the PL, doesn't seem any better than playing in any other division.

For the record, I care a great deal about staying in the PL. Because at some point I want us to actually challenge for league titles again. Moyes will never, ever do that. He's not even a stepping stone on the way to it. He's an also ran, and so are we with him at the helm.

 

[Bluelighter]

I've followed his time at West Ham quite closely, read their forums and watched YouTube fan channels..to say they disliked him was an understatement. Yes he won a trophy and got European football but the football was dire, favored certain kinds of players, was slow to bring on young players. Also he was a terrible communicator and shut down in interviewers and came across as patronizing and arrogant.

 

[SJB]

The risk that we become ingrained in football culture as one of the irrelevant clubs.

Who are the irrelevant clubs though? Forest, Leicester, Palace? Or Burnley, Brentford, Brighton? They've had "good times." We've done nothing but exist We're the most irrelevant team in the Premier League.

 

[windymiller]

Who are the irrelevant clubs though? Forest, Leicester, Palace? Or Burnley, Brentford, Brighton? They've had "good times." We've done nothing but exist We're the most irrelevant team in the Premier League.

All of them, every single one of them. You could make an argument for Leicester, they've won a league title and FA cup relatively recently. But the others, an irrelevance. Like it or not, the vast majority of the world lumps us in with those clubs. Appointments like Moyes won't change that. As ill fated as it was, and with no plan to build on it, appointing Ancelotti was the only time we looked to change our status. The other way is to go with the up and coming superstars, that's the way I'd prefer to do it but we've given up on all of that.