Relegation 2022/23

Are Everton going to stay in the Premier League?

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It looked briefly like we might be on for lower-mid table safety and a fairly stress-free season but we're Everton, so we've decided to slum it in a relegation dogfight again.

Leicester are rejuvenated, Villa got a positive first result under their new man and Wolves and Southampton will have their cracks at a new manager bounce post-WC, too. At this stage I think we could be left hoping for Brentford and/or Fulham to have a rotten second half of the season.

I don't think FL will see out the season, though that's not necessarily my preference. It's just easier for the club to blame the manager.

I'd advocate for a change to a diamond formation with our relative riches in midfield compared to the paucity of attacking options, but now a couple of CMs look crocked and Dom has broken down again, that's not even an option.
 
Apologies for looking in on your board but I do find it an interesting read, I have been looking over the relegation thread, not personally going to add any comments reference Everton, I don’t watch them enough so I cannot comment. I am shocked how very little have commented on Wolves, as it stands to date we are totally in a very poor place, we cannot defend and cannot score, we have no organisation in the team, we have been like this since Feb 21 and personally we look certainties for relegation this season, possibly along with Forest, Bournemouth or Southampton. Our only hope is the new manager and hopefully signing a forward and defenders( ironic you have Coady) in the Jan window. Our hope is that there are 3 worse teams, we really are shocking at the moment
 

EFC78 said:
It's very hard not to get extremely frustrated and disheartened supporting this club, especially for the majority of the Premier League era.

But I'm personally going to try and be patient and not expect a quick fix. Obviously every single one of us wants an improvement as soon as possible, and it's tough to see another club in Newcastle who've been recently taken over, now up in 3rd, scoring for fun, so soon after coming in to money whilst we have actually regressed under Moshiri.

If we are to be in a relegation battle though, which I don't believe we will (lower midtable more likely), at least this season we have players better suited for the fight. We have Tarkowski and Coady for a start, as well as a lively Patterson and Gana who may be limited on the ball but will always battle.

I think the draw vs Fulham was a good indication that we will grind out enough points to steer clear of relegation but a win vs Bournemouth is a lot more important than it was a couple of weeks ago.
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What is it that makes you think we won't be in a relegation battle though? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just genuinely intrigued because I can't for the life of me see how we avoid it. Points, performances, stats etc all have us looking like we're in for a major battle. We currently have pretty much our entire first choice side fit so there's no cavalry coming to save us. I don't know what i'm missing that makes some people so confident that we're going to be fine.
 
Our midfield was like a sieve and another injury crisis. It appears we're in for a rough ride again. Posted only a few days ago that we're a lot harder to beat but that was short lived. So much for being optimistic!

Hopefully we can preform a lot better on the weekend or there will be a lot more pressure heaped on us.

All our rivals are getting new managers in. I fear we might have to do the same if we have a proper downward turn in the next few weeks.
 
navidson said:
It was a patch so purple that even Prince himself would have been proud

He genuinely looked world class for a period and then it seemed to dawn on him that he wasn't

One of the strangest downturns I've seen in my Everton watching history
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I think the key with Jelavic is to look at it the other way round. People try to make out like it was a tactical thing from Moyes or bad luck or whatever but really it wasn't a strange downturn, it was an unfathomable upturn. He was a bog standard journeyman striker who'd bounced round European backwater leagues before getting a big move when he was 26. He had no business scoring like he did in that first half season, it came out of nowhere. He just had a ridiculously good run for a couple of months where everything he did worked, and then went back to being the average player he'd always been.

I really hope we win on Saturday and open up a bit of daylight between us and the bottom 3.
 
Lanolin said:
What is it that makes you think we won't be in a relegation battle though? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just genuinely intrigued because I can't for the life of me see how we avoid it. Points, performances, stats etc all have us looking like we're in for a major battle. We currently have pretty much our entire first choice side fit so there's no cavalry coming to save us. I don't know what i'm missing that makes some people so confident that we're going to be fine.
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Yeah, this, basically.

When we went on our unbeaten run after the first couple of games, my feeling was that we were getting results with more in the tank once the new players started to properly gel with the rest of the squad. Of course, we'd still only have been a mid-table team in my estimation so some bumps in the road were to be expected.

Since then, though, the Palace result seems the exception rather than the rule. Fulham was a good result, but relying on that amount of luck/good goalkeeping isn't sustainable. Onana looked really promising, if raw, but seems to have regressed. Gana was back about his old ways to begin with, but also seems to have dropped right off the pace.

I'm not discounting this being typical, Evertonian pessimism but the trend, to me, appears to be back on a very pronounced downward slope, right at a time when early season strugglers seem to be either finding form or at least making managerial changes in the hope of doing so.

Forest are dead and buried. I'm assuming that at least one of Wolves or Southampton will get enough of a bounce to get them clear (hoping not, of course). Bournemouth lack quality; they probably lack our defensive quality but have more goals in their team so that's a toss-up for me, at the moment. Otherwise I think we need a big drop-off from Brentford or Fulham.

The problem with the "hope there are three worse teams" strategy is that one season there won't be.
 

Carlito said:
Unfortunately, the Walter days are back.
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Brett Angell Delight said:
Yeah, this, basically.

When we went on our unbeaten run after the first couple of games, my feeling was that we were getting results with more in the tank once the new players started to properly gel with the rest of the squad. Of course, we'd still only have been a mid-table team in my estimation so some bumps in the road were to be expected.

Since then, though, the Palace result seems the exception rather than the rule. Fulham was a good result, but relying on that amount of luck/good goalkeeping isn't sustainable. Onana looked really promising, if raw, but seems to have regressed. Gana was back about his old ways to begin with, but also seems to have dropped right off the pace.

I'm not discounting this being typical, Evertonian pessimism but the trend, to me, appears to be back on a very pronounced downward slope, right at a time when early season strugglers seem to be either finding form or at least making managerial changes in the hope of doing so.

Forest are dead and buried. I'm assuming that at least one of Wolves or Southampton will get enough of a bounce to get them clear (hoping not, of course). Bournemouth lack quality; they probably lack our defensive quality but have more goals in their team so that's a toss-up for me, at the moment. Otherwise I think we need a big drop-off from Brentford or Fulham.

The problem with the "hope there are three worse teams" strategy is that one season there won't be.
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Yeah i'm the same. When results started to improve I thought we were trending upwards and the correlation with the new players coming in made it feel like that could be sustained. The performances and results in recent weeks make it seem like that isn't the case though, and being so clearly second best to some pretty average teams is a real worry. It kind of feels to me like the idea of us being fine and not even in a scrap is based on blind faith rather than anything else so just wondering if someone could convince me otherwise.
 

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