The Everton Board Thread 2014/15

[Woolly Blue]

So putting the OOCs to one side for a moment, as no one on either side will make much ground on the matter.

1 ) Is Kenwright the right man to take us forward after countless failed moves and investment. And lies and proper gander campaign against others.

Also...

2 ) Do you believe Everton are for sale or is he looking just for investment to keep hold of the club

Is this acceptable to people out there?

1 ) No, he's made too many mistakes. He's an astute businessman, but I think he's way out of his depth.

2 ) I can't see how its not up for sale, or at least being prepared for a sale. If a new stadium actually gets built and the team carries on it's recent relative success, the club will be a more attractive option. The people who've put their money in here expect a return and a lot is made of their greed or niavety in whatever the asking price is but, purely from an investment viewpoint, it makes much more sense to accept a sensible offer than it is to hold on for something which may never happen. Our major shareholders may be many things, but they're not stupid. If they're holding on for a big deal they must be relatively confident that it'll happen one day and justify their wait.

I suspect Bill's dream is for someone to come along with a large investment which leaves him as a figurehead chairman with a much reduced holding.

 

[roydo]

This was touched on in another thread, but the key USP that we have is just being overlooked imo. That is being marketed in the US as the working mans club; the against the odds club. Proud history, competing against Arab & Russian money. Non of this "global brand" rubbish, but a direct appeal to the true sports fans in the US.

Get that cracked, and it wouldnt cost a fortune, relatively, and there you have it. Or something.

Pretty much all of the US lads on here are convinced the Americans would lap it up.

At least it would be proactive, rather than the apparent position of waiting for the phone to ring.

 

[RaleighBlue]

This was touched on in another thread, but the key USP that we have is just being overlooked imo. That is being marketed in the US as the working mans club; the against the odds club. Proud history, competing against Arab & Russian money. Non of this "global brand" rubbish, but a direct appeal to the true sports fans in the US.

Get that cracked, and it wouldnt cost a fortune, relatively, and there you have it. Or something.

Pretty much all of the US lads on here are convinced the Americans would lap it up.

At least it would be proactive, rather than the apparent position of waiting for the phone to ring.

Americans are mind blowingly easy to market to - it's true. We like spending money, and we like underdogs, and we like believing that there is some moral superiority in rooting for the underdog.

We seem to get off on the idea that pain is good for us. And, to be fair, it makes the release about a gazillion times better.

The mega clubs will always have Americans rooting for them as well, just like there are loads of Yankees and Lakers fans, but there is a massive untapped market in the US that is very free with cash that laps up all underdog stories.

 

[magicjuan]

Their website still lists their position as being against the Kirkby stadium project, and the most recent posting was in January.

I will peruse their site over the coming weeks, but these are the sort of things that need updating. Kirkby is no longer an issue, Everton will not be leaving the city. I'm sure these are good and sound blues with day jobs and KEIOC is being run as a passion project. I respect that, but I feel as though perhaps Evertonians as a group need an action committee that is more globally focused on the problems relating to the club and able to get the word out more effectively.

KEIOC can be that vehicle, I don't mind, but it needs to be inclusive, active, educational, and easy to consume.

it always was all of those things, but a well backed and aggressive propaganda campaign painted KEIOC in a really shoddy light that a lot of the alleged 'moderates' bought into.

As is well remembered, but hardly forgiven, it was KEIOC versus EFC, KMBC, Tesco, the Echo and every media outlet that Bill and the club could lean on to get DK passed. Which they failed to do despite all those resources.

People talk about Arab spring as an uprising against the powerful, but that bunch of drunken knobh*ad Evertonians managed a coup all of their own. Don't let the propaganda fool you.

 

[roydo]

Americans are mind blowingly easy to market to - it's true. We like spending money, and we like underdogs, and we like believing that there is some moral superiority in rooting for the underdog.

We seem to get off on the idea that pain is good for us. And, to be fair, it makes the release about a gazillion times better.

The mega clubs will always have Americans rooting for them as well, just like there are loads of Yankees and Lakers fans, but there is a massive untapped market in the US that is very free with cash that laps up all underdog stories.

Dont want to replicate that other thread, which I recall you contributed to, but it has legs I reckon.

 

[pat the boxer]

Americans are mind blowingly easy to market to - it's true. We like spending money, and we like underdogs, and we like believing that there is some moral superiority in rooting for the underdog.

We seem to get off on the idea that pain is good for us. And, to be fair, it makes the release about a gazillion times better.

The mega clubs will always have Americans rooting for them as well, just like there are loads of Yankees and Lakers fans, but there is a massive untapped market in the US that is very free with cash that laps up all underdog stories.

try googling tranmere rovers..

 

[Chang Elephant]

Really, my question for all those Evertonians out there looking to knock the board is this:

Why not make an offer of £200M and buy the club ?

Until then, pipe down and know your place.

 

[RaleighBlue]

it always was all of those things, but a well backed and aggressive propaganda campaign painted KEIOC in a really shoddy light that a lot of the alleged 'moderates' bought into.

As is well remembered, but hardly forgiven, it was KEIOC versus EFC, KMBC, Tesco, the Echo and every media outlet that Bill and the club could lean on to get DK passed. Which they failed to do despite all those resources.

People talk about Arab spring as an uprising against the powerful, but that bunch of drunken knobh*ad Evertonians managed a coup all of their own. Don't let the propaganda fool you.

And we should all respect their work. It's truly amazing what a fan group can accomplish when focused on action. However, due to the scars from that battle, i.e. the tarnished image from the DK fight, KEIOC is not the lily white image that is required to unify Evertonians.

It also carries the baggage of DK in its name. I believe Evertonians would be better served by either a new group or a reclaiming of KEIOC and focusing on proactive measures to improve what's happening off the pitch. It's rare to find an Evertonian that believes that the club is being run especially effectively, at least in my own experience. Most people, regardless of their feelings about Kenwright, feel that Everton should be in a better place than we are today. That's the key to anything that can be done about the board and complaints about the board.

 

[Chang Elephant]

And we should all respect their work. It's truly amazing what a fan group can accomplish when focused on action. However, due to the scars from that battle, i.e. the tarnished image from the DK fight, KEIOC is not the lily white image that is required to unify Evertonians.

It also carries the baggage of DK in its name. I believe Evertonians would be better served by either a new group or a reclaiming of KEIOC and focusing on proactive measures to improve what's happening off the pitch. It's rare to find an Evertonian that believes that the club is being run especially effectively, at least in my own experience. Most people, regardless of their feelings about Kenwright, feel that Everton should be in a better place than we are today. That's the key to anything that can be done about the board and complaints about the board.

Good call, maybe also restrict any of the former high profile KEIOC members from joining the new group ?

 

[SerenityNigh]

Really, my question for all those Evertonians out there looking to knock the board is this:

Why not make an offer of £200M and buy the club ?

Until then, pipe down and know your place.

I thought the asking price was £125M?

 

[RaleighBlue]

Good call, maybe also restrict any of the former high profile KEIOC members from joining the new group ?

Why would you do that to a group that's about inclusiveness and unity?

 

[SerenityNigh]

Good call, maybe also restrict any of the former high profile KEIOC members from joining the new group ?

What good would that do?

 

[Chang Elephant]

I thought the asking price was £125M?

Can't be sure seeing as no-one has enquired about buying the club in fourteen years, but after overseeing rising TV income the board deserve a premium anyway.

 

[SerenityNigh]

I would think £125M is a fairly reputable estimate, but you may know more than me mate

Everton FC is for sale..... Does anyone who's been watching, as well as listening, really not know that? We've reported it for many years on many occasions.

It's been splashed across the Echo's front page before.

And we've commented and carried reports and opinions on how concerning it is that a responsible buyer who can take the club forward and who cares about it is still to emerge.

An unnamed club source has said the 'ballpark' asking price for EFC is £125m....The Echo checks facts before it publishes its own stories, as all good, responsible journalists should do. And we don't suddenly take what's printed or broadcast at night as gospel truth from other people, including other journalists and broadcasters.

We check things out for ourselves as we think our readers would expect us to do. We've been checking and no one at EFC is admitting to providing that figure to the radio station in question.

But even if a club source has privately quoted a rough figure of £125m for the Blues, is it really 'news' or suddenly that big a surprise?

Because in November 2011 the Echo - and indeed Sky Sports News too - quoted banker Keith Harris as saying he thought Everton FC would attract around £150m as a rough sale price. And we reported that figure.

We also reported comment from Echo Everton columnist Barry Horne on December 10, 2011, saying he felt the asking price quoted by Harris was too high.

Nor are we currently or recently aware of any seriously interested parties who want to take the club off Bill Kenwright's hands. If they have been out there and have been put off by an inflated asking price, we like to think we would have been on our toes and have heard about that. Rest assured we would have reported and examined that.

We did extensively report on an interest from India's Jain Group at the end of October 2011. And our full time Everton FC writer Greg O'Keeffe exclusively reported in the Echo that they had dropped their interest. Greg asked Jain why they'd gone away - but they wouldn't say.

But we at the Echo continue to keep watching and asking the key questions on this one, rest assured. We know how much it all matters and we know how much our readers and Everton fans care. They've every right to remind us of our responsibilities. But we do know.

 

[Chang Elephant]

Why would you do that to a group that's about inclusiveness and unity?

What good would that do?

To break free from the past divisiveness that KEIOC represent