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[Allezfan]

We've conceded less goals than the league leaders, and the same amount as Tottenham. They score more goals and put games to bed which is where we can't compete currently.

Man U have fecking van persie, hernandez and rooney. It's not a model we can follow. And it's not the only way to win things.

I maintain that getting in players who are ten percent better than pienaar, Fellaini, jelavic and Osman so we score an extra goal a game is going to be really hard. But getting in players who are ten percent better than Howard, Distin and Heitinga so we concede a goal less a game is less so.

 

[steken1]

Man U have fecking van persie, hernandez and rooney. It's not a model we can follow. And it's not the only way to win things.

I maintain that getting in players who are ten percent better than pienaar, Fellaini, jelavic and Osman so we score an extra goal a game is going to be really hard. But getting in players who are ten percent better than Howard, Distin and Heitinga so we concede a goal less a game is less so.

Couldn't have put it better myself, which is why I didn't.

 

[boris]

Manny Fernandes

 

[ToffeeMike]

How do you know Forren would help get us to the CL mate ? Have you ever watched him play ? Genuinely interested.

Yes I've seen clips of him on youtube good solid defender but a bit slow, would provide good backup and is better than Heitinga imo.

 

[bluejock]

I've seen clips of him on youtube

And I'm out.

 

[ijjysmith]

Yes I've seen clips of him on youtube good solid defender but a bit slow, would provide good backup and is better than Heitinga imo.

Oh mate.

 

[mpatton]

Lampard (loan), and Donovan

 

[Christiffa25]

Moyes has never struggled finding cheap players on the attack or in defence. He bought Jelavic for less than Heitinga. He bought Cahill for less than Distin.

But that argument is neither here nor there. I'm just saying what we need, not whether we can afford it or not.

We've conceded less goals than the league leaders, and the same amount as Tottenham. They score more goals and put games to bed which is where we can't compete currently.

Agree with Brennan here. If we'd conceded many more than teams around us maybe you'd have a point but we havnt. Our problem has been getting the goals our displays have deserved. We never get out of sight and finish games off. Therefore our defense are always on a knife edge.

We need players to kill games off and maybe another midfielder who may than allow for a bit more energy and protection for the back 4.

 

[ToffeeMike]

And I'm out.

What is it with youtube?

 

[ijjysmith]

What is it with youtube?

Have a look how boss Bilyaletdinov looks on YouTube.

 

[Allezfan]

What is it with youtube?

Largely because it's edited highlights so it doesn't give you the same feel as watching the whole match.

Say it's a five minute video made from 500 minutes of football. You can give pretty much any impression of any footballer.

 

[Christiffa25]

Man U have fecking van persie, hernandez and rooney. It's not a model we can follow. And it's not the only way to win things.

I maintain that getting in players who are ten percent better than pienaar, Fellaini, jelavic and Osman so we score an extra goal a game is going to be really hard. But getting in players who are ten percent better than Howard, Distin and Heitinga so we concede a goal less a game is less so.

Man utd have players that are 10% better than the ones u stated yet have conceded more than us???
Your point works both ways with utd as an example

 

[bluejock]

What is it with youtube?

I could make Gary Caldwell look boss on Youtube.

 

[ToffeeMike]

Hahaha OK I get it, anyone seen Mirallas on it? He literally looks different class.

 

[Brennan]

Agree with Brennan here. If we'd conceded many more than teams around us maybe you'd have a point but we havnt. Our problem has been getting the goals our displays have deserved. We never get out of sight and finish games off. Therefore our defense are always on a knife edge.

We need players to kill games off and maybe another midfielder who may than allow for a bit more energy and protection for the back 4.

Exactly.

Our defence is not noticeably worse than the teams around us, the big disadvantage we have is not scoring enough to kill games off. You can't legislate for scrappy goals or bits of luck that teams will get against you, but what you can do is score more goals so that those moments don't matter.

I wouldn't say Distin or Baines deserve to be dropped from our starting 11 but it was they who were at fault for the goal we conceded against Newcastle.

The same thing happened last season too. Go back and look at the number of goals we conceded compared to teams near us in the league. We didn't concede loads more, but we were generally far behind on goals scored.

There are far more goals to be gained via improved attacking play than there are goals to be saved via better defending. The numbers back that up.