somuchfun
Player Valuation: £40m
And in the relegation zone! I hope QPR stay there as well and I'll be joyful come end of season!
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And in the relegation zone! I hope QPR stay there as well and I'll be joyful come end of season!
steken1
Player Valuation: £70m
He's a conundrum in this Moyes. Most of us feel he's uber conservative but he's given debuts to two of the youngest goalscorers in LEAGUE HISTORY, played Rodwell pretty regular from age 17, same for Victor when he's fit and there isn't many managers you can say that about.
I get the impression trust is a massive thing for him and it takes a lot to gain his.
I get the impression trust is a massive thing for him and it takes a lot to gain his.
I think the general opinion is our bench is largely untried and untrusted. Which it is.
Duffy, Mucha, Barkley, Vellios, Junior, Kennedy etc have had about 90 minutes between them this season. It's not really a question of quality.
They could be the best six players in the world and as long as Moyes would have rather play players out of position then play them, which he does, then our bench is weak.
I'd say if we had a bit more faith in youth we would have the very able james wallace covering gibson, instead of the awful neville. Moyes in general gets stuck in his ways, plenty of us wanted Coleman at RB a long time ago, osman in the centre, cahill moved on, arteta in the centre, baines at LB and now Oviedo coming on before the truly dreadful naismith. As good as he is in some aspects of management, tactically it takes a very long time for the penny to drop.
Ihaters
Player Valuation: £35m
If they were good enough and ready, we'd see them playing. If we had the 6 best players in the world, Moyes would of sussed this out by now.
We young players probably of less quality than our first team whilst we are trying to get into the CL places.
Spot on
mightymoyes
Player Valuation: £70m
liverpool have given chances to the likes of sterling, suso, wisdom, flanagan, robinson and probably a few others from the same age group. when everton played teams with those players in them at youth level there wasnt a lot of difference.
Again, bang on the money there. Plenty of people wrote Coleman off as not likely to be good enough at PL level, but he's come on leaps and bounds. To dismiss Barkley for a gash sub appearance, or Junior for a woeful night at Leeds in the Carling Cup is perhaps premature. Consigning them to the stiffs/bench for the next few months isn't going to aid their development, and I wonder if we've missed the chance with a few of our prospects due to Moyes' rigidness.
steken1
Player Valuation: £70m
I honestly don't know where I stand on this.
If Wallace was a more able deputy than Neville surely he'd have found his way to a better club than Tranmere who were looking likely to drop into the fourth division when he signed for them.
The fact is only Ruddy has gone on to prove Moyes judgement wrong in ten years.
If Wallace was a more able deputy than Neville surely he'd have found his way to a better club than Tranmere who were looking likely to drop into the fourth division when he signed for them.
The fact is only Ruddy has gone on to prove Moyes judgement wrong in ten years.
Ihaters
Player Valuation: £35m
You say Coleman has come on leaps and bounds, yet say that benching players whilst they are young doesn't help their development... Coleman came on leaps and bounds whilst benched then went to a lower presure position of RM, then became a decent player for us as a RB, something he looked terrifying as originally..
Who's dismissing Barkley.. he was okay at Weds, was part of a 2-0 defeat for Leeds but I have no doubt in a year or two will be decent for us.
Plenty of people have been dismissing Barkley as not good enough or not ready. Therein lies a conundrum: he won't ever be ready if he warms a bench. I'm not saying that he definitely will be good enough for the Premier League, but I wish we'd give him - and others - a fair crack at it. Who was our last academy/youth product who we brought through into being a 1st team regular? Anichebe? Rodwell? Any others in recent times? My head hurts if I try to think back over the past 10 years or so!!
Surely it's more than 2?
Surely it's more than 2?
Under Moyes we've bought Rooney, Osman, Anichebe and Rodwell into the first team. And tried to do the same with Vaughan but injuries scuppered that.
Nobody else has really broken through from the youth directly in that time.
(Gosling, Gueye and Coleman we bought in from other clubs while still pretty young and they all got a decent run in the first team at some point though.)
Nobody else has really broken through from the youth directly in that time.
(Gosling, Gueye and Coleman we bought in from other clubs while still pretty young and they all got a decent run in the first team at some point though.)
i know what your saying, but wallace has pretty much single handed got tranmere to top of league one, hes been made skipper at 21, and completely runs that team, right now he is a better cm than neville if you ask me, a big shout for a league 1 player against a 50 odd cap title winner, but i know who i would pick, he picks a pass, always wants the ball, isnt the risk taker that barkley is but still plays with his head up looking to get forward. I really think he is gonna be one that got away
PeterMeter
Player Valuation: £1m
Don't you think we'd be able to get him back if he goes on to prove himself further next year? He's a blue, and seems levelheaded from twitter, think he'd jump at the chance to come back and can appreciate in what position the club was that they had to let him go.
I wonder why we don't have more of a loan-out situation with Tranmere. They've been in a bad place, and I'm sure players like Vellios, Duffy etc would do a good job there. Barkley needs time in one of the better teams of the Championship or Premier League. I'd think the others can get competetive games at League 1 level as well.
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