Yobo Gone?

[BlackToffee]

I am not going to war with you but it appears you are with me i would suggest you have issues with something and need to sit back and look at your comments.
I have nothing to do with any other forums
I don't understand what your getting at by turning the other cheek either,you have come on here calling me a fashist so before you act all high and mighty read back what you have said to me.

When you question someone's loyalty to Everton because they don't share your view you start on a very slipperly slope. The same slope started by other individuals / groups with DK project. That is why I considered it a faschist view. You're entitled to that view but don't expect long time supporters not to be offended by such remarks. I was offended. It was an uncalled for remark.

It would have been nice of you to see my point and apologise for any offence caused, but I'm not even sure you see my point.

 

[chicoazul]

You see mODz, this would be good to move over to the bored thread as all Yobo discussion has gone.

 

[BlackToffee]

You see mODz, this would be good to move over to the bored thread as all Yobo discussion has gone.

As boring as it sounds, perhaps we can restore the original board thread. That way the internet warriors can bore themselves to death and those of us who don't want to listen can swerve the thread.

 

[daz4matty]

When you question someone's loyalty to Everton because they don't share your view you start on a very slipperly slope. The same slope started by other individuals / groups with DK project. That is why I considered it a faschist view. You're entitled to that view but don't expect long time supporters not to be offended by such remarks. I was offended. It was an uncalled for remark.

It would have been nice of you to see my point and apologise for any offence caused, but I'm not even sure you see my point.

I take it you calling me a faschist and i suppose when you said about turning the other cheek being some kind of veiled threat you have offended me.
I do see your point but not about whatever went on with the other forum.
I just can,t understand how any evertonian can back kenwright if i offended you i apologise,i don,t know you and to my knowledge have never talked to you on here so i have nothing against you,but you seem to have a lot of baggage going on

 

[BlackToffee]

I take it you calling me a faschist and i suppose when you said about turning the other cheek being some kind of veiled threat you have offended me.
I do see your point but not about whatever went on with the other forum.
I just can,t understand how any evertonian can back kenwright if i offended you i apologise,i don,t know you and to my knowledge have never talked to you on here so i have nothing against you,but you seem to have a lot of baggage going on

First thanks for the apology. Equally I apologise if I offended you. I don't have baggage, I have concerns that those who don't share some fans views will be abused because they feel that they are so right. What I was showing was the length some people would go to abuse a fellow fan who didn't share their view, which is why linking "support" to Kenwright shouldn't be linked to how "true blue" you are.

I like Bill. I make no apology for that. But I think that some of the things he has done has either being wrong or misguided. But I thank him for rescuing the club from the Liverpool supporting Johnson. I thank him for ensuring that in difficult conditions he's kept the wolf from the door. We have one of the best debt / income ratio in the premiership. We have one of the best wages to income ratio in the premiership. Some of his plans such as Finch Farm is a reality.

But I recognise that he / The board, in the medium term cannot now meet the ambitions of the fans. I want him to leave, stage left with his dignity intact. But if the board do something right, such as get the catering sorted, without which we won't get more corporate supporters, I'll praise him. Equally, I'd criticise him for the Park End development - a plan formed without a vision of where GP will be.

I want him gone, but he can't sell up if nobody is buying. My solution, employ a "Broughton" type figure who's only job is to bring in investment or sale within the next year. An investor / buyer who doesn't plunge us into Portsmouth territory. No **** off Kenwright from me. No hysterics from me. Simply, thank you for what you've done - please work yourself out of your current role.

I neither actively support nor detest him. I'm a critical friend. Allow fans to hold that position without been seen as a paria, as you maybe louder and taking up a lot of forum time, but I think you'll find I'm more in the majority of fans than you are.

 

[ToffeeDan]

Yobo didn't got to Fenerbahce cos their financial worries make up look like a rich cousin. Get on Trabs at 4/1 for the Turkish League cos Fene are not going to be at the races I think.

 

[Arteta10]

I want him gone, but he can't sell up if nobody is buying. My solution, employ a "Broughton" type figure who's only job is to bring in investment or sale within the next year. An investor / buyer who doesn't plunge us into Portsmouth territory. No **** off Kenwright from me. No hysterics from me. Simply, thank you for what you've done - please work yourself out of your current role.

Agree with this, but surely this is an option which should have been considered a few years ago?
Its not like the financial situation we are in has just come up over night, we've needed investment for a good while and we've been getting left behind without it
I think thats why a lot of people are so bitter towards BK, they see him as being happy to be passive and stay in control of the club rather than going out and actively seeking investment
I know he comes out every few months saying 'the club is for sale' but surely theres a little more to it than that?

 

[daz4matty]

First thanks for the apology. Equally I apologise if I offended you. I don't have baggage, I have concerns that those who don't share some fans views will be abused because they feel that they are so right. What I was showing was the length some people would go to abuse a fellow fan who didn't share their view, which is why linking "support" to Kenwright shouldn't be linked to how "true blue" you are.

I like Bill. I make no apology for that. But I think that some of the things he has done has either being wrong or misguided. But I thank him for rescuing the club from the Liverpool supporting Johnson. I thank him for ensuring that in difficult conditions he's kept the wolf from the door. We have one of the best debt / income ratio in the premiership. We have one of the best wages to income ratio in the premiership. Some of his plans such as Finch Farm is a reality.

But I recognise that he / The board, in the medium term cannot now meet the ambitions of the fans. I want him to leave, stage left with his dignity intact. But if the board do something right, such as get the catering sorted, without which we won't get more corporate supporters, I'll praise him. Equally, I'd criticise him for the Park End development - a plan formed without a vision of where GP will be.

I want him gone, but he can't sell up if nobody is buying. My solution, employ a "Broughton" type figure who's only job is to bring in investment or sale within the next year. An investor / buyer who doesn't plunge us into Portsmouth territory. No **** off Kenwright from me. No hysterics from me. Simply, thank you for what you've done - please work yourself out of your current role.

I neither actively support nor detest him. I'm a critical friend. Allow fans to hold that position without been seen as a paria, as you maybe louder and taking up a lot of forum time, but I think you'll find I'm more in the majority of fans than you are.

Thank you for your apology,i hear what you are saying but don,t agree.
I think we will have to agree to disagree but i would say i am more in the majority of fans than you.
One think i am in unity with you is about kenwright leaving i would love that to happen i think he is killing this club and i don,t believe a word he says and would love to know the answers to the questions in the leaflet given out against villareal.
I also have this fear of one of our big guns being sold just before the window closes and not being replaced i know its only a feeling i have but as a fan its how he makes me feel because i don,t trust anything he says.

 

[daz4matty]

Agree with this, but surely this is an option which should have been considered a few years ago?
Its not like the financial situation we are in has just come up over night, we've needed investment for a good while and we've been getting left behind without it
I think thats why a lot of people are so bitter towards BK, they see him as being happy to be passive and stay in control of the club rather than going out and actively seeking investment
I know he comes out every few months saying 'the club is for sale' but surely theres a little more to it than that?

In my opinion while ever moysie is pulling rabbits out of the hat and overachieving he has no intention of selling.
He does not help himself with comments like i am working 24/7 to sell the club,if he was trying so hard to do so he should sack the people helping him cos they are wasting everyones time.
While we are traeding water this is how we will be rolling for the foreseable future i,m afraid

 

[BlackToffee]

Agree with this, but surely this is an option which should have been considered a few years ago?
Its not like the financial situation we are in has just come up over night, we've needed investment for a good while and we've been getting left behind without it
I think thats why a lot of people are so bitter towards BK, they see him as being happy to be passive and stay in control of the club rather than going out and actively seeking investment
I know he comes out every few months saying 'the club is for sale' but surely theres a little more to it than that?

Not trying to be controversal, but I'd be happy for Bill to stay, just not have anything to do with money. I'm from London, but the thought of anyone in control of Everton who do not support the club or share the culture / heritage / language of the original fans will get little support from me. For the avoidance of doubt, I'm taking about a Niall Quin role. Niall speaks for Sunderland, he has no financial input. Any other scouse will go though. That Amanda Holden can talk to me anytime she wants.

But as much as I like Bill, he shouldn't front the fight for investment. And why wasn' it idea around year's ago? Well, we are were we are.

Thank you for your apology,i hear what you are saying but don,t agree.
I think we will have to agree to disagree but i would say i am more in the majority of fans than you.
One think i am in unity with you is about kenwright leaving i would love that to happen i think he is killing this club and i don,t believe a word he says and would love to know the answers to the questions in the leaflet given out against villareal.
I also have this fear of one of our big guns being sold just before the window closes and not being replaced i know its only a feeling i have but as a fan its how he makes me feel because i don,t trust anything he says.

I accept very little of what you've just said, so let's agree to disagree.

 

[Neiler]

TBH unless there is a deal in place this is more bad management for me.

 

[Xavi]

First thanks for the apology. Equally I apologise if I offended you. I don't have baggage, I have concerns that those who don't share some fans views will be abused because they feel that they are so right. What I was showing was the length some people would go to abuse a fellow fan who didn't share their view, which is why linking "support" to Kenwright shouldn't be linked to how "true blue" you are.

I like Bill. I make no apology for that. But I think that some of the things he has done has either being wrong or misguided. But I thank him for rescuing the club from the Liverpool supporting Johnson. I thank him for ensuring that in difficult conditions he's kept the wolf from the door. We have one of the best debt / income ratio in the premiership. We have one of the best wages to income ratio in the premiership. Some of his plans such as Finch Farm is a reality.

But I recognise that he / The board, in the medium term cannot now meet the ambitions of the fans. I want him to leave, stage left with his dignity intact. But if the board do something right, such as get the catering sorted, without which we won't get more corporate supporters, I'll praise him. Equally, I'd criticise him for the Park End development - a plan formed without a vision of where GP will be.

I want him gone, but he can't sell up if nobody is buying. My solution, employ a "Broughton" type figure who's only job is to bring in investment or sale within the next year. An investor / buyer who doesn't plunge us into Portsmouth territory. No **** off Kenwright from me. No hysterics from me. Simply, thank you for what you've done - please work yourself out of your current role.

I neither actively support nor detest him. I'm a critical friend. Allow fans to hold that position without been seen as a paria, as you maybe louder and taking up a lot of forum time, but I think you'll find I'm more in the majority of fans than you are.

I couldn't disagree more , the only person who has kept the wolf from the door is David Moyes , the signings he has brought to the club on small fee's is what's kept us going , I don't need to name them , Peter Johnson left Everton with 20 mill debt and built the park end stand , he continuesly backed Walter Smith who was to blame for signing a load of old men , according to Collin Fitz an Everton shareholder he wrote a letter last week to the media I think where he said the debt current stands at 80 million maybe DaveK might know more about the real figure , but according to the last lot of accounts it was near 50 million , Kenwright has done nothing to the ground only let it rot and rot in his 11 years , he's failed miserably with two ground moves , aswell as umpteen fiasco's from telling fans money from investment will be in the banks in the morning , bidding less for players than what another club had bid the day before , to travelling down to the home office applying for a work permit for Eva Benega only for the player to say he knows absolutely nothing about joining on loan , and the park end Annexe disaster just about tipped it in the balance of sharing my view IMO ,


Plus if our debt to income , and wages to debt and what not are so good , how on earth can West Brom who generate less income than any team in the division outspend us over 4 transfter windows , when we finish 7/8 in the top flight every year , I can't decide who and what was worse P,Johnsons days or Kenwright , the only thing I do know is as a team we are far better now with Moyes at the helm than the David Ginola days of Smith , the sooner he packs up and Sells the better because Iam prepared to take the risk of it back firing , because it could push us towards greatness aswell ( speculate to accumulate ) rather than watch Moyes walk soon an we slip further and further away by not even trying to sell

 

[BlackToffee]

I couldn't disagree more , the only person who has kept the wolf from the door is David Moyes , the signings he has brought to the club on small fee's is what's kept us going , I don't need to name them , Peter Johnson left Everton with 20 mill debt and built the park end stand , he continuesly backed Walter Smith who was to blame for signing a load of old men , according to Collin Fitz an Everton shareholder he wrote a letter last week to the media I think where he said the debt current stands at 80 million maybe DaveK might know more about the real figure , but according to the last lot of accounts it was near 50 million , Kenwright has done nothing to the ground only let it rot and rot in his 11 years , he's failed miserably with two ground moves , aswell as umpteen fiasco's from telling fans money from investment will be in the banks in the morning , bidding less for players than what another club had bid the day before , to travelling down to the home office applying for a work permit for Eva Benega only for the player to say he knows absolutely nothing about joining on loan , and the park end Annexe disaster just about tipped it in the balance of sharing my view IMO ,


Plus if our debt to income , and wages to debt and what not are so good , how on earth can West Brom who generate less income than any team in the division outspend us over 4 transfter windows , when we finish 7/8 in the top flight every year , I can't decide who and what was worse P,Johnsons days or Kenwright , the only thing I do know is as a team we are far better now with Moyes at the helm than the David Ginola days of Smith , the sooner he packs up and Sells the better because Iam prepared to take the risk of it back firing , because it could push us towards greatness aswell ( speculate to accumulate ) rather than watch Moyes walk soon an we slip further and further away by not even trying to sell

Almost all of those examples I could challenge, but don't really know where it would get us. For example the so called true debt. Are you saying that the accountants appointed are liars and working hand in clove to cook the boooks? If so, I hope you have proof. Johnson gave Smith money to spend and then told him he had to rein in his spending, thus we had to start to get rid of players, leaving Smith with little choice but to go for worn out journeymen. You don't have the monopoly on truth, right and justice.

Give me Kenwright any day of the week over Agent Johnson.

I put my position down and unlike most who rabbit on about how they hate the board, I proposed a sensible solution which has the potential to work. Words on their own are nothing more than empty words.

You can list 1,000 failures if you want, history is made by those who make a difference by doing something.

Why is it so difficult for the kenwrongers to come up with proposals which will unite Evertonians of all shades behind them rather than continuing being splitters?

 

[c1982]

Off to Blackburn?

 

[Dublintoff]

Off to Blackburn?

Where did this come from?

And why would an ageing DJ want to buy a centre half for?