2018/19 Yerry Mina

[toffeejack]

He could like, not want to go back to barca, like.

 

[Goat]

I’ve never heard that argument used ever. Is every player’s transfer fee a rolling thing depending on how long they stay and how many wages we’ve paid them overall? So so far we’ve paid £11m for Sandro but that could rise to £35m if he sees out his contract?

IF your taking about net liabilities, amortisation and all that jazz, yes.

But your average fan deals in spend and net spend and rightly so.

Klassen was bought for 24m, sold for 13m, we took a massive hit on him.
Mina was bought for 28m, he signed a 5 year contract, in 2 years Barca could maybe buy him back for 54m.

Those are the figures as fans we should concern ourself with.

 

[Connor]

Absolute wham central this thread, I cannot believe some people manage to function in the world.

Lad hasn't even kicked a ball for us, nor train with our squad, and he's got some of both crowds - sensible and bedwetters - keeling over.

I'm away to pre-order his shirt.

 

[MikeH72]

IF your taking about net liabilities, amortisation and all that jazz, yes.

But your average fan deals in spend and net spend and rightly so.

Klassen was bought for 24m, sold for 13m, we took a massive hit on him.
Mina was bought for 28m, he signed a 5 year contract, in 2 years Barca could maybe buy him back for 54m.

Exactly, so if we sell Mina to Barcelona in 2 years time we’ve nearly doubled the fee we initially paid. That is called a substantial profit in a normal world.

We pay the player a wage to play football for us. The performances he gives us are in exchange for those wages and have absolutely nothing to do with the transactions between Everton and Barcelona.

 

[Neiler]

Why can’t you believe it? You’ve just said we have to take into account player wages when talking about transfer fees and profit we make after we sell a player. What is it you’re not getting?

Really?

When players are signing you take on a total liability that liability consists of cost of their contract and also the fee for the players registration, both things come off the bottom line of the club.

So in simple Maths, if you sign a player for 30 million, pay him 10-15 million over a two year period, that is subtracted from the overall liability or the cumulative cost of a transfer. There arent separate pots for transfer fess or wages, all come of the bottom line of club finance. So factoring in the cost of this overall deal the liability and profit on the return is a probably about a few million over a two year period. Its fairly simple really.

Doing a simple adding and subtracting of fee paid and fee gotten is pretty meaning less really, you have to asses the rest of the liability.

 

[COYBL25]

I’ve never heard that argument used ever. Is every player’s transfer fee a rolling thing depending on how long they stay and how much wages we’ve paid them overall? So so far we’ve paid £11m for Sandro but that could rise to £35m if he sees out his contract? Is that how we’re looking at transfers now?

Not in the real world, no.

 

[MikeH72]

Really?

When players are signing you take on a total liability that liability consists of cost of their contract and also the fee for the players registration, both things come off the bottom line of the club.

So in simple Maths, if you sign a player for 30 million, pay him 10-15 million over a two year period, that is subtracted from the overall liability or the cumulative cost of a transfer. There arent separate pots for transfer fess or wages, all come of the bottom line of club finance. So factoring in the cost of this overall deal the liability and profit on the return is a probably about a few million over a two year period. Its fairly simple really.

Doing a simple adding and subtracting of fee paid and fee gotten is pretty meaning less really, you have to asses the rest of the liability.

See above ^

 

[Neiler]

We have him for five, no?

I seem to remember that this a full transfer. Not a loan deal.

Via the option of a buy back after two years if it suits Barca.

 

[Neiler]

Hes all over the place here sadly.

More then likely, however....

 

[Goat]

Really?

When players are signing you take on a total liability that liability consists of cost of their contract and also the fee for the players registration, both things come off the bottom line of the club.

So in simple Maths, if you sign a player for 30 million, pay him 10-15 million over a two year period, that is subtracted from the overall liability or the cumulative cost of a transfer. There arent separate pots for transfer fess or wages, all come of the bottom line of club finance. So factoring in the cost of this overall deal the liability and profit on the return is a probably about a few million over a two year period. Its fairly simple really.

Doing a simple adding and subtracting of fee paid and fee gotten is pretty meaning less really, you have to asses the rest of the liability.

Yeah but most of us are footy fans who need a calculator to add up 2+2, I know I do anyway.

I mean sure the club needs to juggle these things, but we as fans only care about value for money from our signings.

 

[CaliforniaBlue]

If Barca throws 54m for a central defender that will mean Mina has been an absolute beast for us. They bought Umtitti for something like 15m two summers ago (I think) and Lenglet this summer for 36m. They also bought Mina for 9m so it appears they are interested in finding 'affordable' deals for players at the back.

 

[Connor]

Via the option of a buy back after two years if it suits Barca.

But it also has to suit the player. It’s an option, not an obligation.

 

[Neiler]

See above ^

Most fans see a transfer fee and just add and subtract based on that. It doesn't include the overall liability, the true cost of a transfer is in fee and wages in fact wages are ultimately more important then a fee.

Hence i am saying Yerry will be close to cost neutral, after fee and wages, although i suspect a small profit.

 

[Tipp blue]

Not sure mate, Barca do this thing all the time, even if they didnt want him they wouldd sign him and sell him on in a matter of weeks if there was something in it for them.

He still has to have 2 damn great seasons for them to make a profit on 60 million. Which is good for us.

 

[Neiler]

But it also has to suit the player. It’s an option, not an obligation.

Not sure if the lad has a say if im honest mate.