2018/19 Yerry Mina

[Goat]

If hes gash he is ours, that said look what Barca did with Del,he was surplus with us. They still resigned him and sold him on again at a profit.

Even if he is gash we have no say in his future.

But its the same with every player we sign, if they are good they move on.

Im not bothered, im confident that Brands could use the 54m wisely.

 

[Neiler]

It's not silly at all. The point is that you can't take wages into account when calculating the profit, because we'd have had to pay somebody the wages anyway.

I disagree to be honest of course wages have to be taken into account in the true cost of a transfer, look at us having to shift so many players in the summer as an example. Equally its about choices, we could have done anything really, give Jags a one year extension, not sell Mori or Williams or promoted someone from the youth team. Buying him was a choice really.

Im not unhappy we have him, i just dont like the deal. Its far from brilliant business, we will make a small profit and have no say in his future with us or elsewhere.

 

[Neiler]

But its the same with every player we sign, if they are good they move on.

Im not bothered, im confident that Brands could use the 54m wisely.

Thats fair enough and i dont disagree in the main, the difference is we have have choice within any other deal and negotiations, in this we dont, wioht this player we are subject to the whims of another club.

Its a glorified two year loan in my opinion. Cost neutral in my opinion, albeit a small profit. I just dont like deals like this that Everton have no say into the players future at the club or elsewhere.

 

[bag a yoko]

I keep hearing this drivel about the Premier league being much faster.. I heard it when Pep dominated with Barca and I half believed it until i watched Bilbao completely over run Manchester United in the Europa League and made them look like yard dogs.

Were we 4-0 down at half time against the mighty Atalanta or only 3?

 

[Bluewolf]

I keep hearing this drivel about the Premier league being much faster.. I heard it when Pep dominated with Barca and I half believed it until i watched Bilbao completely over run Manchester United in the Europa League and made them look like yard dogs.

well it's very easy to look at one or two games in isolation and make a opinion (no matter how informed).

For starters the way a team players in a leauge is different to how they play in Europe. You have to play to win over two legs not 38 games. As well as that not being United's best year with them crashing out of the champions leauge in the group stages and de gea still being ropey.

If you actually watch the Spanish leauge and not base your opinion on a one off game from 6 years ago, you'll see just how slow it can be. I mean watch two of the teams outside of the top 6 play each other, it's like when the Simpsons got to watch the football.

 

[BlueToff]

This is worse than a loan deal, if the signing flops we are out of pocket by 30m if it is a success he gets taken back to Barca in 2020 for a fee of 54m which will probably just about cover inflation.

There is absolutely nothing in my post that is drivel, so I suggest you stop drivelling.

We have signed a player we want on a five year deal for a reasonable fee (considering the World Cup he had).

It isn't a loan deal. So what if Barca have a buy back. It's a £55m buy-back. Regardless of whether it is 2020 or 2018. It's still £55m.

Moaning for the sake of it. It's boring.

 

[BlueToff]

Its all speculation at this point agreed.

I think we make a very small profit in reality.

His future isnt in our hands though.

On the fee, we make a £25m profit (give or take).

You don't really take wages into account when talking about profit on a fee...

 

[MikeH72]

Absolute wham central this thread, I cannot believe some people manage to function in the world.

 

[Lanolin]

Absolute wham central this thread, I cannot believe some people manage to function in the world.

Do they though?

 

[COYBL25]

Absolute wham central this thread, I cannot believe some people manage to function in the world.

At a guess, I`d say some of them don`t.

 

[ProZ]

We have signed a player we want on a five year deal for a reasonable fee (considering the World Cup he had).

It isn't a loan deal. So what if Barca have a buy back. It's a £55m buy-back. Regardless of whether it is 2020 or 2018. It's still £55m.

Moaning for the sake of it. It's boring.

On paper it’s not a loan deal, but in reality it is. My point about the buy back is people are acting like we are doubling our money, I’m just trying to say by 2020 the prices for the average CB will have risen a lot.

We have 30M to lose and not really much to gain, yes we can potentially have a very good player for 2 years but if we do we won’t be seeing much of a return on our 30M investment given inflation.

 

[MikeH72]

This is worse than a loan deal, if the signing flops we are out of pocket by 30m if it is a success he gets taken back to Barca in 2020 for a fee of 54m which will probably just about cover inflation.

There is absolutely nothing in my post that is drivel, so I suggest you stop drivelling.

As opposed to a loan where if he's amazing he goes back to his parent club (after just one season) and they keep him or sell him to a bigger club than us, and we've received no fee at all and it's out of our control anyway. Sounds well better that.

 

[ProZ]

As opposed to a loan where if he's amazing he goes back to his parent club (after just one season) and they keep him or sell him to a bigger club than us, and we've received no fee at all and it's out of our control anyway. Sounds well better that.

Yes but if he’s absolute garbage we are losing 30M, which we wouldn’t be losing on a loan.

As I say we have a fair chunk to lose and after inflation not a lot to gain.

I’m harping on now so I will leave it lads.

 

[BlueToff]

On paper it’s not a loan deal, but in reality it is. My point about the buy back is people are acting like we are doubling our money, I’m just trying to say by 2020 the prices for the average CB will have risen a lot.

We have 30M to lose and not really much to gain, yes we can potentially have a very good player for 2 years but if we do we won’t be seeing much of a return on our 30M investment.

No, it isn't.

Barca insert a buy-back in most deals. I stress, most.

It doesn't make them loan deals. It doesn't mean we couldn't sell on to another club for more money if Barca weren't interested. It doesn't mean Mina won't stay here longer.

And we don't know for sure that they have. In Europe, despite the Ronaldo deal (which was clearly way under the £1billion buy-out in his Real Madrid contract) the prices have already started to flatten out. So no, I don't think the prices for the average CB will have gone up too much.

It's not for two years. He's signed a five-year deal. Barca's buy-back comes into effect after two years. It doesn't mean they'll use it.

 

[BlueToff]

Yes but if he’s absolute garbage we are losing 30M, which we wouldn’t be losing on a loan.

But that's the risk with any player ffs?