I believe the young players are our future, treat them well and let them lead the way, show them all the beauty they possess inside, give them a sense of pride to make it easier.........
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messymascot
Player Valuation: £35m
Pennington is the type of player that could be your 5th choice centre back not on big money and come in when needed. Unfortunately on this occasion the whole team was off the pace so his below par performance looked worse. I would like to see him go out on loan next season for the 1st half and come back with games under his belt and see how he performs then. On DCL even Lukaku was ineffective so a bad day yes but he kept trying and maybe with a proper team behind would have got a chance to show what he can do. Holgate is a centre back who can play right back. Right Wing back is a totally different position so I'll not judge him on that performance. Davies is an 18yo who was due a bad game I'm 100 percent confident he'll bounce back.
This is spot on mate and the crux of the dilemma. You can never know who will have what it takes until you put them on the pitch. It's why it's an inexact science.
Ahhh come on Kit, it's Sunday morning after a few too many Jack Daniels last night...
The only one I criticised was Pennington and that's because I've not been impressed by him once. Also he's not that young so it's fair to not be impressed. Over reliance on kids is a sign of a bad team who are struggling and that is the crux of why I'm frustrated.
TheFinnFan
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It's alright just feels like this is not time to write off even him. We have good youth coming up compared to them lot and thats thing that we should be proud of
Simon baker
Player Valuation: £10m
I like Calvert lewin but he showed his inexperience a number of times yesterday he did really well to hold it up & burst into the corner but had 2 men on him he then tried a stupid turn into lovren instead of getting his body in & either drawing a foul getting a corner or just keep possession.
Personally wouldn't have started him.
Pennington's about 12 months younger than lukaku, do you think it's fair to criticise rom?
We're not talking about booing and heckling here, we're talking about giving an opinion on a forum. I'm not sure that me questioning whether a young player will make it will have any impact whatsoever on whether or not they do so where exactly is the harm?
For what it's worth, my opinion is that Pennington will have a decent career spent mainly outside the PL and holgate will be a good but not brilliant defender. I see some ability in DCL but to me he looks way off the level we need right now. He's looked peripheral in every game he's played so far, but there's plenty of scope to improve.
We're not talking about booing and heckling here, we're talking about giving an opinion on a forum. I'm not sure that me questioning whether a young player will make it will have any impact whatsoever on whether or not they do so where exactly is the harm?
For what it's worth, my opinion is that Pennington will have a decent career spent mainly outside the PL and holgate will be a good but not brilliant defender. I see some ability in DCL but to me he looks way off the level we need right now. He's looked peripheral in every game he's played so far, but there's plenty of scope to improve.
What I find difficult is the vast change in opinions people have. To be fair it may not be the same people, but it does seem on Friday nobody wants Barry in, would prefer to see young players blooded etc. We lose with them and in part because of them and people then are critical.
There is a reason why a manager selects often average older players or seasoned pro's, often they will have the temperment for a big game. However I will not criticise Koeman for selecting so many younger players yesterday, and would much prefer than to watching the dross we saw at Watford away around that run.
There is a reason why a manager selects often average older players or seasoned pro's, often they will have the temperment for a big game. However I will not criticise Koeman for selecting so many younger players yesterday, and would much prefer than to watching the dross we saw at Watford away around that run.
flibbyflob
Player Valuation: £40m
I'd never slag off a youngster thrown in to a game like that after a long time away from the side and Pennington was out of his depth, not the lads fault. He probably won't be here next season but I wish him well and if he is still here I hope he makes it. As for DCL and Holgate both have shown at times this season they are good players but they weren't the worst performers out there yesterday no matter how poor we may think they were.
It's definitely fair he is criticised. However it's also reasonable people can counter balance that. He has had significant injury problems which have probably halted his career. He is also a completely different position to Lukaku and one that breaks through more at a later age.
Pennington was very poor yesterday, perhaps so poor we may never see him again. However there is a revisionism. Last season he was identified to be playing ok, in fact was pointed out by MOTD as one of our best players in a win against Bournemouth. I saw that game too and was very impressed with him. He has been one of the better players in our under 23's, and when we were short of numbers came in and struggled. The criticism needs to be balanced and fair.
Billy Dean
Player Valuation: £70m
And Koeman has publicly praised him.
Quote (my bold) from an article I read last week (about the PL academies and potential poor educational performance):
Anyone who has been following the academies over years, rather than knee-jerking either about performances or about the criticism of youth players, can reel you off a list of names of those that played a few games and they thought might make it. The reality is that many of those drift to lower leagues and then into non-League or out of the game entirely.
Even if an academy product is just about good enough, is he better than someone who could be brought in to replace him? Would you rather have a local Tony Hibbert or an import Seamus Coleman?
Despite @bullybeef sounding brutal, he has the weight of probability on his side. Personally, I suspect he will be proven correct with Pennington, but I would still like to see him and some of our youth (Dowell, Walsh, Kenny, for example) given their chances (obviously not all at the same time) until the end of the season, especially if we lose against Utd.
People can play in the first team without making it and it has nothing to do with being hounded out by impatient fans or management who won't give youth a chance.
Anyone who has been following the academies over years, rather than knee-jerking either about performances or about the criticism of youth players, can reel you off a list of names of those that played a few games and they thought might make it. The reality is that many of those drift to lower leagues and then into non-League or out of the game entirely.
Even if an academy product is just about good enough, is he better than someone who could be brought in to replace him? Would you rather have a local Tony Hibbert or an import Seamus Coleman?
Despite @bullybeef sounding brutal, he has the weight of probability on his side. Personally, I suspect he will be proven correct with Pennington, but I would still like to see him and some of our youth (Dowell, Walsh, Kenny, for example) given their chances (obviously not all at the same time) until the end of the season, especially if we lose against Utd.
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