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What a manager
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Thomasc
Formerly known as By God I'm Blue
“moyes dour defensive hoof ball” is an absolute embarrassment of a statement. We certainly didn’t play that type of football when we had a side containing Arteta, Peinaar, Lescott, Jags, Baines etc, you are talking out of your arse on that point.
I appreciate your well put together post, but it’s a complete fantasy as was any idea Martinez had of smashing this imaginary “glass ceiling” you have put together in your head. He was out of his depth once Moyes side broke up, the football was terrible and he went from bad to worse.
keep imagining him to have been better than that, but he wasn’t.
WeAreEvertonians
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Just had a look, Martinez got 91 points from his final 75 games in charge. That’s really poor with the squad he had. Really poor. Rightly sacked.
Barry Rathbone
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But weren't Utd champions at the time?
Barry Rathbone
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I appreciate your conviction and respect your opinion I just disagree, mate.
Blues Harp
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Son of Davek lol lol lol
Paul Rideout
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phenomenal
Kever10
Player Valuation: £25m
The point is, in order to get more points, you have to win more games and lose fewer. Which we did. We also finished 4th with a minus goal difference. I guess that is some achievement to be fair.
When we won the league, I was 5, so I honestly couldn't tell you without looking, but I do know it will have a) been more points, and b) been more games in the season.
But i digress, the difference between a league title winning side and the difference between finishing 4th or 5th is ridiculous, and you know it.
Now, I didn't say that did I. Might wanna read it back.
Also, go away? Hahahahaha.
Am I not allowed to have an opinion (not the 1 you thought I had mind) that is contrary to one's you've been told to have?
What utter drivel. Moshiri is not our manager and Martinez would possibly have got us relegated. The further he went from Moyes team the worse it got. Moshiri is a committed investor, no more. Brands and Silva will work but they have had neither time nor the rub of the green.
Genuine question, what makes you think it will work with brands and Silva mate ?
If the league is very competitive you might win it with lower points but actually a bigger achievement. Everything has to be put in to context.
Im just trying to prove that points arent important mate.
I mean Liverpool havent won the league in 30? years, but their points total last season would have been enough to win it most seasons.
Points dont matter.
72 points is great, we all were blown away by his first season, but then he failed for 2 whole seasons.
Ballly
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My post from the Moshiri thread. Just my two pence on this. Remember the only time he was able to spend at the top table he got Lukaku:
"We had the man in place in Martinez. I just think the mistake that Moshiri made was giving into the massive pressure of the fan base and media to let him go as a sign of the new era of ownership. Yes there were rocky times and awful derby performances in RM's three seasons in charge but the fact of the matter is that he was trying to implement a much more attractive and progressive offensive style of game on a shoe string budget with a group of players that were drilled by Moyes in the rigid structures and negative (yet reasonably effective) style of game. When FM came in, if Martinez was given the funds that the managers since him had to spend (plus that which was wasted on multiple manager payoffs) we'd be looking more like Leicester or dare I say it Spurs of the last few seasons than this one that has no style of play and is wallowing in mediocrity with no light at the end of the tunnel."
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"We had the man in place in Martinez. I just think the mistake that Moshiri made was giving into the massive pressure of the fan base and media to let him go as a sign of the new era of ownership. Yes there were rocky times and awful derby performances in RM's three seasons in charge but the fact of the matter is that he was trying to implement a much more attractive and progressive offensive style of game on a shoe string budget with a group of players that were drilled by Moyes in the rigid structures and negative (yet reasonably effective) style of game. When FM came in, if Martinez was given the funds that the managers since him had to spend (plus that which was wasted on multiple manager payoffs) we'd be looking more like Leicester or dare I say it Spurs of the last few seasons than this one that has no style of play and is wallowing in mediocrity with no light at the end of the tunnel."
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Kever10
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Like I said, I made no comparison to the League winning sides. I said the difference between 4th with a minus goal difference and 5th with a record points total shows a difference in respective seasons. That's all. It doesn't take anything away from the achievement of finishing 4th, but nor should anything be taken away from achieving our highest points total since we previously won the league.
Because at times we are really good. We have suffered key injuries and bad calls with VAR. We also still have deadwood to get rid of so we can get genuine depth in the squad. Silva has shown excellence but needs a deeper squad to make it consistent. I really think we should get behind the slightly longer term plan.
Brands said he made this clear to Moshiri. Something like if you want success tomorrow I am the wrong man. If you want longer term sustainable success then yes. The whole thing includes the academy and bringing on young players. I think after one more summer window we can begin to see really where we are.
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