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yes i do as well ,harry as long as people thirst for power others suffer , pity that people dont really live their lives by the faith/ political beleives they proffess to follow the world would be a miles better place,

Completely agree. Nothing annoys me more than someone that claims to be religious spouting words of hatred.

I was brought up a Christian but like many I guess find it easy to duck the commitment side of it now as an adult. Just some of the key basics are important though like "do unto others etc"
 

yes i do as well ,harry as long as people thirst for power others suffer , pity that people dont really live their lives by the faith/ political beleives they proffess to follow the world would be a miles better place,

True.
 
"Managing to [Poor language removed] entire regions with our continued support of terrorism?"

2. Britain doesn't support terrorism and hasn't in any way for over 20 years

"Sucking up to the yanks at any given opportunity?"

3. America is a democracy and the world's largest economy. Britain shares huge cultural ties. Not siding with it in most cases would be strange in the extreme

America is as bad as any of the terrorist organisations they're fighting against. We should have nothing to do with them or their wars.

http://youtu.be/5KpzBAKJmig

http://youtu.be/jv0p8P_lY1U

http://youtu.be/jv0p8P_lY1U
 
Okay I'll try and be as logical as I can here.

"Systematically taking land which didn't belong to us?"

1. Pretty much every country in history have fought wars and made land grabs. England has a rich history of doing it for sure (against my country possibly more than any other) but that was all in the past. Britain of the 22nd century abides by international law. Now you car argue that Blair/Bush flouted international law and my counter is that international law needs to be tougher - and has been since the weapons of mass destruction affair (in respect of the voting on the UN security council)

"Managing to [Poor language removed] entire regions with our continued support of terrorism?"

2. Britain doesn't support terrorism and hasn't in any way for over 20 years

"Sucking up to the yanks at any given opportunity?"

3. America is a democracy and the world's largest economy. Britain shares huge cultural ties. Not siding with it in most cases would be strange in the extreme

"Being so anti-anyone not white that it's getting silly?"

4. Britain is one of the most multi-culturally diverse nations on Earth. It has an active anti-racism agenda and probably one of the leading justice systems in the world

"Being so single minded that we can't improve on anything we've got, so we're just going to have the same problems over and over?"

5. You what?

"Distancing ourselves from any European financial matters which is helping the rise of the far-right?"

6. The Euro crisis is a world wide issue caused by human greed and lax banking protocol. The result is a global recession the like of which generally leads to a far-right rally. When folk are poor and unhappy they blame people. Human nature. The UK is no more distancing itself than Japan or Canada is


p.s. Carlos you're ace

p.p.s You realise Mr 25 that at least in this country you have the right and ability to actively criticise our government and way of life? If you tried that in any of the hardline Muslim countries you make reference to you'd have some part of your body sliced off by now (at best)

p.p.p.s As a democracy you're free to leave at any time

Evening Dell boy that is spot on p.s. Carlos your an absolute Legend mate
 

And Britain does not support 'terrorism'.

The initial reaction to the brutal killing of Lee Rigby, a 25-year-old off-duty British soldier, in Woolwich last week was to renew the debate over apparent "lone wolf" acts of terrorism. There are those who believe the attack was the latest in a series of terror acts that have a common denominator – the al-Qa'ida-linked group formerly known as al-Muhajiroun.
Founded by the Syrian cleric Omar Bakri Mohammed before being taken over by Anjem Choudary, it was banned in 2010. But it has been linked to one in five terrorists convicted in Britain over more than a decade.
It is little surprise that the Woolwich suspects have been on Whitehall's radar for years. Mr Choudary has already admitted knowing Michael "Mujahid" Adebolajo, as someone who "attended our meetings and my lectures".
Al-Muhajiroun has continued to function with impunity, most recently under the banner of Izhar Ud-Deen-il-Haq. According to a former US Army intelligence officer, John Loftus, three senior al-Muhajiroun figures – Mr Bakri Mohammed, Abu Hamza and Haroon Rashid Aswat – were recruited by MI6 in 1996 to influence Islamist activities in the Balkans.
In 2000, Mr Bakri Mohammed admitted training British Muslims to fight as jihadists abroad. That same year, he boasted: "The British government knows who we are. MI5 has interrogated us many times. I think now we have something called public immunity. Independent

And more news on Britain does not support 'terrorism'.

In 1998 archbishop Desmond Tutu revealed possible British involvement in the death of UN secretary-general Dag Hammarskjold in 1961. Hammarskjold's plane exploded when it was about to land in Rhodesia; he was on his way to mediate a peace agreement between Congo and the breakaway province of Katanga. Documents described meetings between MI5, the CIA and a South African military front company, and plans to place TNT in the wheel bay of the aircraft.

In addition, former MI6 officer Richard Tomlinson revealed that MI6 put forward a paper entitled 'the need to assassinate president Slobodan Milosevic of Yugoslavia' in 1992. Subsequently, Nato aircraft specifically targeted Milosevic for assassination during the war against Yugoslavia in 1999.

And in 1998 MI5 whistleblower David Shayler alleged British funding and support for an assassination attempt against Libya's Colonel Gaddafi. A leaked MI6 cable later stated that "one officer and 20 men were being trained especially for this attack" in February 1996. The coup plotters had obtained 250 British pistols; their leader was Abdal Muhaymeen, a former member of the Afghan mujahideen who was possibly trained by MI6 or the CIA. Gaddafi survived the coup attempt, but six innocent bystanders did not.

Even more on Britain's links to terrorists.

On Nov.17,1997,the Gamaaal-Islamiya (Islamic Group) carried out a massacre of tourists in Luxor, Egypt, in which 2 people were killed....Yet, the leaders of the organization have been provided with political asylum in Britain, and repeated efforts by the Egyptian government to have them extradited back to Egypt have met with stern rebuffs by Tory and Labour governments alike.
 
And Britain does not support 'terrorism'.

The initial reaction to the brutal killing of Lee Rigby, a 25-year-old off-duty British soldier, in Woolwich last week was to renew the debate over apparent "lone wolf" acts of terrorism. There are those who believe the attack was the latest in a series of terror acts that have a common denominator – the al-Qa'ida-linked group formerly known as al-Muhajiroun.
Founded by the Syrian cleric Omar Bakri Mohammed before being taken over by Anjem Choudary, it was banned in 2010. But it has been linked to one in five terrorists convicted in Britain over more than a decade.
It is little surprise that the Woolwich suspects have been on Whitehall's radar for years. Mr Choudary has already admitted knowing Michael "Mujahid" Adebolajo, as someone who "attended our meetings and my lectures".
Al-Muhajiroun has continued to function with impunity, most recently under the banner of Izhar Ud-Deen-il-Haq. According to a former US Army intelligence officer, John Loftus, three senior al-Muhajiroun figures – Mr Bakri Mohammed, Abu Hamza and Haroon Rashid Aswat – were recruited by MI6 in 1996 to influence Islamist activities in the Balkans.
In 2000, Mr Bakri Mohammed admitted training British Muslims to fight as jihadists abroad. That same year, he boasted: "The British government knows who we are. MI5 has interrogated us many times. I think now we have something called public immunity. Independent

And more news on Britain does not support 'terrorism'.

In 1998 archbishop Desmond Tutu revealed possible British involvement in the death of UN secretary-general Dag Hammarskjold in 1961. Hammarskjold's plane exploded when it was about to land in Rhodesia; he was on his way to mediate a peace agreement between Congo and the breakaway province of Katanga. Documents described meetings between MI5, the CIA and a South African military front company, and plans to place TNT in the wheel bay of the aircraft.

In addition, former MI6 officer Richard Tomlinson revealed that MI6 put forward a paper entitled 'the need to assassinate president Slobodan Milosevic of Yugoslavia' in 1992. Subsequently, Nato aircraft specifically targeted Milosevic for assassination during the war against Yugoslavia in 1999.

And in 1998 MI5 whistleblower David Shayler alleged British funding and support for an assassination attempt against Libya's Colonel Gaddafi. A leaked MI6 cable later stated that "one officer and 20 men were being trained especially for this attack" in February 1996. The coup plotters had obtained 250 British pistols; their leader was Abdal Muhaymeen, a former member of the Afghan mujahideen who was possibly trained by MI6 or the CIA. Gaddafi survived the coup attempt, but six innocent bystanders did not.

Even more on Britain's links to terrorists.

On Nov.17,1997,the Gamaaal-Islamiya (Islamic Group) carried out a massacre of tourists in Luxor, Egypt, in which 2 people were killed....Yet, the leaders of the organization have been provided with political asylum in Britain, and repeated efforts by the Egyptian government to have them extradited back to Egypt have met with stern rebuffs by Tory and Labour governments alike.
I agree with all those points.
 


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