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[Brennan]

Not quite mate. "Beyond reasonable doubt" trumps 100% certain. Big difference in most cases.

Is there much difference between being sure 'beyond all reasonable doubt' and being '100% sure' ? If you are not 100% certain, there is reasonable doubt causing it ?

 

[Del]

Johnny Frank Garrett of Texas was executed February, 1992, for allegedly raping and murdering a nun. In March, 2004, cold-case DNA testing identified Leoncio Rueda as the rapist and murderer of another elderly victim killed four months prior.[15] Immediately following the nun's murder, prosecutors and police were certain the two cases were committed by the same assailant.[16] In both cases, black curly head hairs were found on the victims, linked to Rueda. Previously unidentified fingerprints in the nun's room were matched to Rueda. The flawed case is explored in a 2008 documentary The Last Word.

In 1984, Earl Washington Jr., then in his early 20s, was tried, convicted, and sentenced to death for the murder of 19-year-old Rebecca Williams in Culpepper, Virginia. Washington's conviction was based largely on his confessions to police. His lawyers insisted the confessions were internally inconsistent, and likely the words of a man with sub-normal intelligence (an IQ of 69) who was "easily led" by police to confess. Washington's appeals failed in the courts.

On October 2, 2000 Earl Washington was finally pardoned, after the new tests found no trace of his DNA on evidence from the crime scene. After nearly 18 years in prison, Washington was finally freed on February 12, 2001

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Jesse Tafero was convicted of murder and tortuously executed via electric chair May, 1990, in the state of Florida for the murders of two Florida Highway Patrol officers. The conviction of a codefendant was overturned in 1992 after a recreation of the crime scene indicated a third person had committed the murders.

Timothy Evans was tried and executed in 1950 for the murder of his baby daughter Geraldine. An official inquiry conducted 16 years later determined that it was Evans's fellow tenant, serial killer John Reginald Halliday Christie, who was responsible for the murder. Christie also admitted to the murder of Evans's wife, as well as five other women and his own wife. hristie may have murdered other women, judging by evidence found in his possession at the time of his arrest, but it was never pursued by the police. Evans was posthumously pardoned in 1966. The case had prompted the abolition of capital punishment in the UK in 1965.

Griffin was executed by lethal injection in 1995 for the 1980 murder of Quenton Moss, a drug dealer in St. Louis. Griffin was convicted and received the death sentence based mainly on the testimony of a career criminal, Robert Fitzgerald, who later admitted to committing the crime himself. Fitzgerald also stated that the police pressured him into accusing Griffin. Griffin, like Troy Davis, maintained his innocence until the end.

It just doesnt work

 

[Goat]

Imagine if the lad was special air service ? Those two beauts came at him and he took them both out ? And it wasn't seen on smart phones ?

Considering he was ran over first, I doubt even Chuck Norris could have done anything.

 

[bluelife]

Mental this innit, the media are loving it

 

[bignev23]

The black bloke said that 'he apologised for women and children witnessing this but women and children have to witness this every day in our lands'. Only the other day it was admitted that a man in Afghanistan was tortured and mutilated.

The footless body of an Afghan man missing since last November was found Tuesday near the former US Special Forces base. Afghan officials and victim’s representatives believe the discovery is directly connected to Zakaria Kandahari, a notorious Afghan-American interpreter and US wartime collaborator. who Afghan officials believe has American citizenship.
The body of an Afghan man Sayid Mohammad was found 200 yards outside the perimeter of US Special Forces base in Nerkh District in Wardak Province. According to Mohammad Hanif Hanafi, the district governor, it was found by laborers digging a water ditch when they unearthed what appeared to be a military-style black body bag.
Mohammad was seen in a video being tortured by Zakaria Kandahari, whom Afghan officials identified as the chief interpreter for a US Army Special Forces A Team stationed at the base. Afghan officials also suggested that an American voice could be heard in the videotaped session of Mohammad’s torture which tacitly supports Kandahari’s involvement.

Another motive could have something to do with people witnessing the daily, weekly, monthly and yearly effects of Armed Drones' attacks in Pakistan and Yemen with over 200 children killed.

I think its a good point that while we are involved in these wars there will always be attacks on our society like we've seen since we've been involved in them.

 

[carlos21]

rip lee rigby

 

[Brennan]

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It just doesnt work

Spot on...

 

[roydo]

Is there much difference between being sure 'beyond all reasonable doubt' and being '100% sure' ?

Well in this case, obviously not. But in most, a Jury has the fallback position of being able to reach a conclusion based on evidence presented, with a robust defence & prosecution, and form what is essentially an informed opinion. If they had to be 100% certain, there would be less convictions, which is why they can convict on "beyond reasonable doubt".

 

[noharmdone]

Considering he was ran over first, I doubt even Chuck Norris could have done anything.

Exactly.. A cowards way of fighting the enemy..

 

[Bluenose1995]

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It just doesnt work

all those cases were prior to modern day used forensics

 

[neville]

Dont know if already posted but Lee Rigby was from Manchester and a massive United Fan

Although regardless of where he was from or supported I am appalled (I am an ex soldier)

Enough is enough I want these extremists exterminating root and branch and out of this country

( Please Note I say extremists and not Muslims)

MOD Statement below

Drummer Lee Rigby or ‘Riggers’ to his friends was born in July 1987 in Crumpsall, Manchester. He joined the Army in 2006 and on successful completion of his infantry training course at Infantry Training Centre Catterick was selected to be a member of the Corps of Drums and posted to 2nd Battalion The Royal Regiment of Fusiliers (also known as the ‘Second Fusiliers’ or ‘2 RRF’).His first posting was as a machine gunner in Cyprus where the battalion was serving as the resident infantry battalion in Dhekelia. Having performed a plethora of tasks while in Cyprus, he returned to the UK in the early part of 2008 to Hounslow, West London. Here, Drummer Rigby stood proudly outside the royal palaces as part of the battalion’s public duties commitment. He was an integral member of the Corps of Drums throughout the battalion’s time on public duties, the highlight of which was being a part of the Household Division’s Beating Retreat – a real honour for a line infantry Corps of Drums.
In April 2009, Drummer Rigby deployed on operations for the first time to Helmand province, Afghanistan, where he served as a member of the Fire Support Group at Patrol Base Woqab. On returning to the UK he completed a second tour of public duties and then moved with the battalion to Celle, Germany, to be held at a state of high readiness for contingency operations as part of the Small Scale Contingency Battle Group.
In 2011, Drummer Rigby took up a recruiting post in London where he also assisted with duties at the regimental headquarters in the Tower of London.
An extremely popular and witty soldier, Drummer Rigby was a larger than life personality within the Corps of Drums and was well known, liked and respected across the Second Fusiliers. He was a passionate and lifelong Manchester United fan.
A loving father to his son Jack, aged 2 years, he will be sorely missed by all who knew him. The regiment’s thoughts and prayers are with his family during this extremely difficult time. ‘Once a Fusilier, always a Fusilier’.

 

[Brennan]

all those cases were prior to modern day used forensics

No they weren't.

 

[quasi modo]

As an ex soldier, my heart goes out to his family and friends.

When you join the British services you know you may lose your life in conflict, but never outside your barracks in this terrible way.

RIP Drummer Lee Rigby.

 

[Bluenose1995]

No they weren't.

modern day forensics are much more updated than what was available in the 90's and earlier

 

[Bert1985]

Can't believe some of the bickering on here when a lad is lying dead, a 2 year old has no dad and a Mother and Father have no son. Get rid of the Extremists once and for all, Cameron. Its about time you grew a big set of danglies and done some good for the country, once and for all.