Why Leicester and not Everton?

[Arteta10]

They had their fun when they won the league a few years ago.

F off and give us a go will ya

 

[MikeH72]

There's a whole clutch of players around rthe £20M - £30M mark - Gbamin, Kean, Delph, Iwobi - that can match that.

lol no, none of them can match that. You’ve picked two players that have barely played any minutes there as well.

£30m for YANNICK BOLASIE

 

[Goat]

Look at the table. You think we can look down on the Koeman period?

Dave praising Ronny Koeman while saying Silva shouldnt be sacked.

This is how you do it lads.

 

[Bungle]

There's a whole clutch of players around the £20M - £30M mark - Gbamin, Kean, Delph, Iwobi - that can match that.

Dave using that well known mathematical method of adding 2 and then doubling or evening tripling it to reach the desired number.

Never change.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Dave accuses everyone at EFC...except Marco.

 

[foxedup]

Not one to make assumptions as they're your club, but we've done the same journey the last 3 seasons after throwing £300million up the wall on past it players. This season alone, at least 15 first team players either sold or loaned out.

People will argue about the calibre of players we've bought in comparison to you, but there's no way what we have bought are lower calibre players based purely on where we got them from.

As for Puel...the nail in his coffin seemed to be sacrificing a 20 goal a season striker in Vardy. Rodgers has fixed that.

We're kinda in that predicament as he's got the tools but not using them. Should we be up in the top 4? Maybe not. But certainly not bottom 4. And most certainly able to mix it with teams from 3rd place to 8th.

It's a similar journey, but has having two different DOF's, three different manager. Each with their own ideas of perhaps how they want to play and what players they want meant the journey has been wasted a bit? I'd say it's that muddled thinking across numerous people that has perhaps been one issue. Silva being not good enough the other.

The difference being we've said from the top, this is the style we want, this is the type of player we want. Any manager we bring in works within our outline, rather than the club shifting to fit theirs?

You've seen your team under all those managers, I can only presume they all had different ideas?

 

[ClausThomsen]

One thing Leicester do well is sack underperforming managers when they think they're done. They have a ruthless "This ain't working, change it" mentality where they aren't afraid to admit that the right guy 6 months ago isn't the right guy anymore.

Ranieri would have been given a 10 year contract and had a stand named after him if he got us into the top 4 let alone win the league.

 

[davek]

Dave praising Ronny Koeman while saying Silva shouldnt be sacked.

This is how you do it lads.

Nope.

Both Brands and Koeman are being compared as the buyers of players and they're as bad as ech other.

The Dutch are 'kin rubbish.

 

[davek]

Dave using that well known mathematical method of adding 2 and then doubling or evening tripling it to reach the desired number.

Never change.

Whatever way it's cut though, £200M+ has been spent by Brands on garbage.

 

[Goat]

Nope.

Both Brands and Koeman are being compared as the buyers of players and they're as bad as ech other.

The Dutch are 'kin rubbish.

Still vastly better than the Spanish.

 

[kenada_blue]

Look at the table. You think we can look down on the Koeman period?

Not even Pep could've got a tune out of that squad Walsh and Koeman created.

 

[kenada_blue]

It's a similar journey, but has having two different DOF's, three different manager. Each with their own ideas of perhaps how they want to play and what players they want meant the journey has been wasted a bit? I'd say it's that muddled thinking across numerous people that has perhaps been one issue. Silva being not good enough the other.

The difference being we've said from the top, this is the style we want, this is the type of player we want. Any manager we bring in works within our outline, rather than the club shifting to fit theirs?

You've seen your team under all those managers, I can only presume they all had different ideas?

The idea now under Brands is pretty similar and why Silva is probably still in a job

 

[davek]

Not even Pep could've got a tune out of that squad Walsh and Koeman created.

...it was awful. This lot are no better though. The Koeman team eventually found courage under Alardyce and got 7th. These players look like complete losers to me...more so than any other recent Everton team...and that is some condemnation.

 

[kenada_blue]

...it was awful. This lot are no better though. The Koeman team eventually found courage under Alardyce and got 7th. These players look like complete losers to me...more so than any other recent Everton team...and that is some condemnation.

Koeman's side had zero going for it and no future hence why his side was quickly binned off and Fireman Sam came in to the rescue. It played some shocking football because we assembled individuals rather than a team.

These are better than that as they actually look like a team with options as shown last season and in spells this season. The problem is what is the manager doing to get the best out of them?

As for being losers...if you're doing the same thing week in week out, conceding the same type of goals, and not scoring enough players are gonna lose faith. Something Leicester did with Ranieri

 

[catcherintherye]

Good decision making from the top basically. We’ve cocked up but the owners and DOF admitted and learnt from their errors.

But when you are clubs like Everton and Leicester, a couple of errors in recruitment or on players can knock you for six for several seasons.

The money and squad quality isn’t there to work around the errors easily. It’s taken several years of transition post title win to come back as we had to replace near enough the whole ageing squad.

We are in a good position now, but if we lost a player and mucked up a replacement, and you picked the right manager and got a top quality centre forward, then suddenly things could look different.

The question is, will the people at the top admit and learn from their errors. Silva looked like one of those appointments based on media reputation than cold hard facts.

Getting in Walsh was a good appointment (don't laugh), making him a DOF wasn’t as he had no experience in that role.

Doesn’t feel like there is much joined up thinking at the top at the moment. The bones of a decent team are there to build on though.

I’d go all out to bring Benitez back.

Thanks for coming on and giving us your perspective on things in a thoughtful and reflexive manner. It's fair to say the majority of us are pretty down with the team at present, and while it's only football it plays a big part in all of our lives (rightly or wrongly). So hearing an opposing perspective is always interesting.

I think there's a lot in what you say. It probably takes most owners a bit of time to really cement what they are looking to do. As you've said Walsh as DOF (not as a Head of scouting) was a mistake but I'm not sure he'd have left for anything of that nature. Oddly, had they have paired Walsh with an up and coming young European coach he may have got the best out of the young players and may have been able to close on more deals.

He really wanted both the Sessegnon twins, he liked Gray from yourselves (when he had that release clause), Haller, Brooks at Bournemouth etc. Throw in Lookman, Vlasic, Davies, Holgate, Kenny, Stones, ukase and Barkley and you had a very strong nucleus there to build around. But again it was rather jumbled thinking.

The point you make about Puel resonates with me too. Sometimes you sack a manager but he kind of helps move you on as a team. Even though it fell apart under Martinez at the end, he had still left Deulofeu, Barkley, Stones and Lukaku and also blooded Galloway and Davies.When Koeman and Allardyce left we were all over the shop.

The follow up with Rodgers for yourselves was a logical choice. You could see Puel had gone as far as he could, but was a solid pair of hands to steer you to secure ground and Rodgers could then be more expansive. I think it's what we hoped Silva would be, but in truth I think we were wowed by 10 good games in the PL.

I don't think Rodgers has cracked it yet either. If you look at his record he tends to have a great first year and fall away, it will be interesting to see if he can convert this good start. If you don't make top 4 it's likely there will be some disappointment amongst fans and it will be hard to cope with.

I do think Leicester could go all the way this season. It sounds bizarre but you've had experience of winning the league which will stand you in good stead and there isn't that sense of pressure that exists with other clubs. Rodgers is streaky. We'll see.

As for us, what separates us, I suppose logical joined up decision making. At Everton I don't think the Chairman, Owner and DOF are entirely on the same page and it shows.