Optimistic 10th that would be a major achievement, with between 45-50 points, and it would still be meh. When I think about it, 45 points is rubbish, and we may well find that it's a high scoring season, with 7th place needing around 55 points, and relegation up to 37. 11th place got 45 points, and i think Palace, Forest, Bournemouth might do better. We will be lucky that Luton take an automatic relegation spot, so we're fighting for 2 places this year. All in all, my head is all over the place and I sort of wish we could fast forward to January 2025.