Well that could send you mad.
I'm all for daydreaming but when he started talking of 'Gordon Lee's successful ten year spell as Everton manager led to the England job' I tuned out.
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I'm all for daydreaming but when he started talking of 'Gordon Lee's successful ten year spell as Everton manager led to the England job' I tuned out.
Saint Domingo
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The hilarity if we won another league title before that lot. I don't think they'd be able to take it. Imagine the scenes.
bizzaro
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They won't.
You asked where it all went wrong.......not why it hasn't been put right.
But where it all went wrong for us was the Heysel ban.
It cost us our best ever manager and led to the break up of one of our best ever.teams.
That it hasn't been put right can be blamed on several factors.
Carter should have shown greater ambition and not taken the easy option by appointing Colin to succeed Howard.
(hindsight speaking here....like everyone else I was chuffed at Colin getting the nod but in retrospect Carter should have moved for someone to take us forward instead of trying to keep things as they were)
Then we had Peter Johnson and all that that entailed, culminating in not backing Joe over the Flo transfer when we still had a chance of making it back to the top. Instead we lost Joe and a sadly diminished Howard came back to the club.
Then we had Bill emptying his piggy bank to buy the club.......a bit like you or me buying a house but not having any money to furnish it.
That is a long litany of things which went wrong for us.
You can take your pick which one it was......but all roads lead back to Heysel.
As for that other lot, who cares why it went Pete Tong for them.....just so long as it did
The Kenwright analogy is spot on.
How he ever thought he could buy Everton football club is beyond me.
It's cost us 15 years.
jaycee
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I meant more the fact that it helped City become what they are Khal,rather than where it went wrong for us,much in the same way that Chelsea be ame a "big" club through luck more than good management/business practise
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Man Utd spent the most every year for 26 years without winning the league, all summer it was 'their year' & there was no window then so as it became apparent they weren't gonna win it they'd sign the players that had performed that season. They had the spending power due to the crowds they got every week & then later because of the sponsorship deals with the likes of Sharp. A touch fortunate for them that they had a crop of youngsters come through together at the same time as the prize money & tv money jumped up by a huge amount to previous, if that hadn't clicked then & they hadn't got the CL money then they'd have been the same as the rest trying to catch up.
Leeds imploded because they'd spent the money to be in the same position, we were already in a position where we couldn't borrow the money & that quite possibly in hindsight was a good thing cos if we'd borrowed to the hilt & it hadn't come off then we'd have been in the same position as them.
Fergie says that it was a once in a lifetime team that came through & others were spending big to try to compete with them but quite simply couldn't.
My favourite bit! Considerable latitude given to the outer limits of fantasy.
And therein lies the rub.
Thus far they are failing miserably in their attempts at buying themselves back to the top.
They are trying to compete with their neighbours, whom can afford to chuck cash at the team willy nilly for as long as there is liquid gold beneath the desert sands.
United have spent almost £300 million this past three years.
To no apparent avail (relative to where they want to be).
What happens if Jose chucks another £200 million at it this year and they are still lagging behind?
Even United have a ceiling to what they can spend.......they haven't got that many throws of the dice left.
The next few years will make or break United.
And there is no guarantee it will be the former
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2 jobs he was gutted he didnt get, England - which he reckoned he was never going to get even though being interviewed & Everton, apparently he said that he not only wanted to make it where r/s weren't the best team in the country but wanted to make it where they weren't even the best team in the own City they come from.
toffeejack
Player Valuation: £100m
They've gone backwards because they've bought a whole host of mid-table players because they can't do the tiniest bit of scouting. Hiring avergae managers has caused the same effect - money hasn't affected them, the way they've spent it has.
We've had no money at all, taht's our excuse. Things about to change yo!
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
Both clubs declined in different ways but at a similar time.
Heysel is a very obvious answer. However I think neither club really responded quickly or well to the changes that occurred within the game in the 90's. There may have been an arrogance on both clubs parts that repeating what had gone before would be enough.
Heysel is a very obvious answer. However I think neither club really responded quickly or well to the changes that occurred within the game in the 90's. There may have been an arrogance on both clubs parts that repeating what had gone before would be enough.
Hong Kong Bluey
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As many others have posted, agree Heysel and subsequent break up of team which would likely have dominated Europe for 5 yrs+.
But too easy to hang it on that. A pivotal moment I remember was Trevor Steven leaving, that was confirmation that era was over.
But we still screwed up. Think back to summer of '88. We broke British transfer record for Cottee and also bought Nevin. We were still competitive then. I believe the club really blew it with succession of poor managers who seemed good choices at the time :- Colin Harvey and Mike Walker. Mismanagement at top level, poor managers and poor transfers at same time.
Then mid 90s we blew it again - same reasons for me. Collins, Dacourt, Dunc, Bilic, Kanchelskis, Barmby all big money signings but didn't deliver. Somehow we managed to blow it and instead of win the league we nearly go down.
Everton that
But too easy to hang it on that. A pivotal moment I remember was Trevor Steven leaving, that was confirmation that era was over.
But we still screwed up. Think back to summer of '88. We broke British transfer record for Cottee and also bought Nevin. We were still competitive then. I believe the club really blew it with succession of poor managers who seemed good choices at the time :- Colin Harvey and Mike Walker. Mismanagement at top level, poor managers and poor transfers at same time.
Then mid 90s we blew it again - same reasons for me. Collins, Dacourt, Dunc, Bilic, Kanchelskis, Barmby all big money signings but didn't deliver. Somehow we managed to blow it and instead of win the league we nearly go down.
Everton that
jaycee
Player Valuation: £60m
The RS decline is difficult to trace,at the start of the premier league they were seen as being as big and as attractive as Man United,had full houses,appeared on TV and had the overseas support only bettered by United,they have spent as much as dem der oil clubs they hate yet have just floated on the edges of PL titles in terms of money spent,opportunity and backing their decline is as bad as ours
DownOnTheUpside
Player Valuation: £30m
united are different from the other mega-rich clubs, they have to stay successful otherwise their costs go up (attracting good players) and their revenue plummets (foreign appeal, sponsorship deals, cl money etc)
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