What would be seen as a successful season?

[davek]

Sorry Dave but your chatting complete Wham. We haven't won a thing in 22 years we haven't won the league in 30 years we have been top 4 once in the last 15 years. All 6 times above us have been in the CL group stages, 3 of them have won it and 4 of the 6 have won the Prem league more then once. They all have bigger finances, better commercials deals, have or soon to have bigger stadiums then us.
Their wages bills are miles higher then ours and have spent probably 10 times what we have, yet you think our spending of 72 mil should instantly make us top 4 inside to seasons or Koeman a failure is utter garbage, Utd Chelsea and Man City have spent over 1bil between them in the last 5-6 years.

While all these teams have improved we stood still, in fact we've gone backwards. It's gonna take a lot more then 2 TW and 72 mil to close the gap. The entire club needs rebuilding from the ground up. Morishri has started with USM FF but i think its going to take 5 years till we are on par and completing with the top 6 off the field. On the field we need to improve as a squad and a team and that's going to take a hell of a lot more money.

We were close with Moyes and very close with Martinez, the problem was most of Martinez signing didn't improve us on the field or the squad and in this day and age a few wrong signing and you drop 3-4 places. Not to mention the waste of money.

Every signing Koeman has made has improved the squad and 1st team so far.

Well on the basis of all that we need to really hunker down and forget becoming competitive with the team's above us right now for the best part of the next decade eh? But that didn't prevent us just three seasons ago getting in amongst them so what's changed now? And you talk about us going off the pace for a couple of seasons, but so too did other teams go off the boil like United, Liverpool and even Chelsea last season. So what's sauce for the goose, eh?

Sorry, no "wham" getting chatted here. This manager is a better manager than the last two apparently. He'll have to prove it from next season.

 

[Goat]

I sadly agree with Dave, we simply must try and at least improve every season, this season an improvement from 11th to 7th is vast, given that we spent 2 seasons going backwards, to get "back on track" so quickly is great.

If we can get 7th and hopefully gain Europa that should be a great platform to get ourselves amongst it next season with the bigger boys.

 

[davek]

Yes we finished ahead of the English champions who the previous season where managed by the arguably the greatest manager the game had seen and who where managed by David Moyes that season mate. Then again we could delve into the vaults to see how you rated moyes at United...

You think for one second we'd have finished ahead of them if Ferguson would have still been there?

Quite where the rant about 80 points and top 4 came from I dunno.

If you honestly cannot see that the top 6 right now with the managers they all have are a much stronger proposition to crack than 3 years back then your blind mate,

Slavish devotion to someone who won nothing, tool the team backwards ten years by the time he got sacked and who left the incoming manager with a utter mess to sort out, just because for one season we played exciting footy, worst home record for how many years was it Dave? That alone is an utter embarrassing record to hold isn't it? Or did you enjoy every single team rocking up at goodison fully expecting to get a win last season?

"Utter mess to sort out". Laughable. The best squad since the 80's it was last May. And this manager is using those players now. What a mess.

So all this hyping up the opposition that makes it seem it's such a struggle for little ole Everton to edge past, where is it ending? What sort of development are we looking at in your opinion? What's the league placing we should be securing next season and the season after (not attempting to secure, but SECuRING). Or maybe there is no targets for this manager. He probably has to dance to a very different tune to previous managers because he was left with the Dog and Duck XI, is that about right?

 

[davek]

I sadly agree with Dave, we simply must try and at least improve every season, this season an improvement from 11th to 7th is vast, given that we spent 2 seasons going backwards, to get "back on track" so quickly is great.

If we can get 7th and hopefully gain Europa that should be a great platform to get ourselves amongst it next season with the bigger boys.

No, no, no. 7th placed trophy this season and then give Koeman a year off to get a breather....it's such a tough ask to get a manager of Everton to break into the sooper dooper Sensational Six private members club ahead of us.

 

[mites]

7th place with this level of performance is a big success for me

europa league on top of that or beating united to 6th would be huge

 

[Connor]

Finishing the season with a manager in charge, not an interim boss.

 

[edge]

Decent finish , few young player getting a chance and for the first time in a long time seem to be going in the right direction ,
Would be happy , with 7 th to 6th

 

[bluestevon]

"Utter mess to sort out". Laughable. The best squad since the 80's it was last May. And this manager is using those players now. What a mess.

So all this hyping up the opposition that makes it seem it's such a struggle for little ole Everton to edge past, where is it ending? What sort of development are we looking at in your opinion? What's the league placing we should be securing next season and the season after (not attempting to secure, but SECuRING). Or maybe there is no targets for this manager. He probably has to dance to a very different tune to previous managers because he was left with the Dog and Duck XI, is that about right?

If the opposition is so poor then mate how come we could only manage 11th and then 13th until a managerial change?

As for a mess mate, when a manager loses an entire dressing room there normally us some mess after that.

As for the rest mate, no, any manager of Everton who takes us massively backwards and who was on progress for taking uscdiwn if hecremaind I'd want out, especially if there phillosophy is against the ethos of the club, which motto and sos aside has always been a side that works hard and gives the crowd the type of effort they demand, something ofm thought he was above having to do.

 

[PeregrineT]

No, no, no. 7th placed trophy this season and then give Koeman a year off to get a breather....it's such a tough ask to get a manager of Everton to break into the sooper dooper Sensational Six private members club ahead of us.

But then if we broke in to the top 6 you'd have to leave us, as we'd either be too successful to waste your precious but amazingly plentiful time on, or youd be too greatly vexed by the throngs of happy fans who settled for less than 1st .

7th is much safer, though I personally think we should shoot for 6th.

 

[davek]

If the opposition is so poor then mate how come we could only manage 11th and then 13th until a managerial change?

As for a mess mate, when a manager loses an entire dressing room there normally us some mess after that.

As for the rest mate, no, any manager of Everton who takes us massively backwards and who was on progress for taking uscdiwn if hecremaind I'd want out, especially if there phillosophy is against the ethos of the club, which motto and sos aside has always been a side that works hard and gives the crowd the type of effort they demand, something ofm thought he was above having to do.

All those words to avoid stating where Koeman should have us at the end of the next two seasons.

Gets a free pass I expect.

 

[Goat]

All those words to avoid stating where Koeman should have us at the end of the next two seasons.

Gets a free pass I expect.

Within 2 seasons, top 4.

That doesnt include this transitional season.

 

[davek]

But then if we broke in to the top 6 you'd have to leave us, as we'd either be too successful to waste your precious but amazingly plentiful time on, or youd be too greatly vexed by the throngs of happy fans who settled for less than 1st .

7th is much safer, though I personally think we should shoot for 6th.

No, I wouldn't hear of it. Just top ten for Mr Koeman. He's having to work with the Dog and Duck XI and we can't expect him to spend only £72m per season and push on for 6th each season. Have you seen the top teams in this league, it's frightening. Let's just get behind the couch and hope they go away and leave for a Euro super league....then we might be able to target 6th.

 

[davek]

Within 2 seasons, top 4.

That doesnt include this transitional season.

So you're saying

7th...6th/5th....4th?

That's gonna frighten the bejezus out of some in here.

 

[BinglyBlue]

I would argue that the seasons been a success already in terms of getting rid of excess baggage. For me the season will be a greater success if come the start of next season, we've strengthened further without losing any key players of the current squad. 7th, is what I'd be happy with for koemans first season in charge

 

[jinkyali]

No, I wouldn't hear of it. Just top ten for Mr Koeman. He's having to work with the Dog and Duck XI and we can't expect him to spend only £72m per season and push on for 6th each season. Have you seen the top teams in this league, it's frightening. Let's just get behind the couch and hope they go away and leave for a Euro super league....then we might be able to target 6th.

Dave. You seem to attribute money spent as a key variable in obtaining a higher league position. You have made reference quite a few times to RK having more money than his predecessors etc.

Your then setting objectives for RK based on a) money spent. I can quote you if you wish.

What I (and many others may I dont know) cant get to grips with in your analysis (?) or statements concerning measuring RK's performance is the ability of other teams around us in spending money.

Lets take the six above us; what if UTD/Liverpool spend £100m on players in the summer. Using money as the barometer for league positions (as you continually have done), how can you deem it a sackable offence if RK doesnt get top 4 within the next two years? Do you really expect us to outspend those clubs above us?

I cant get my head round the fact that if RK is given greater resources than his predecessors, why his objectives change so dramatically that it is deemed sackable if he doesnt get us top 4, yet at the same time, not taking into account the much greater resources his competitors also now have, which are far greater than ours.
Lets be fair; two/three/ten years ago, the money being spent by us now is greater but in the grand scheme of things, were still paupers compared to the six teams above us.

I think your being negligent to the extreme if you believe that just because RK has money to spend now were suddenly going to HAVE to break into the top four for him to be judged as a success in his league finishes.

Its probably just your agenda towards RK but I would appreciate your thoughts on why you dont seem to account for competitors spends in all this, as this seems to be the key variable in your judgement and analysis of RK going forward.