the players the past two games have cost us 4 points being dicks. add the man city ref there is 5 mate we would be 8 clear
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the players the past two games have cost us 4 points being dicks. add the man city ref there is 5 mate we would be 8 clear
ForeverBlue92
Player Valuation: £80m
Which is all fair enough - but that shouldn't mean at this crunch stage of the season that we willingly accept 1 win in 7 or whatever it is because the last manager didnt do a good job earlier on in the season.
Lampard's getting paid millions to try keep us up - he's not doing the job on voluntary work.
Leeds have not far off the same injury problems we have and look at what the new manager has done there in a short space of time.
He needs to improve mate and make us tougher to beat we're running out of games unfortunately.
you can’t judge leeds to us mate
and the fixtures they’ve had to us since?
i agree lampard now needs to make us hard to beat and fight
sacking him when they’re is no manager in world football who could do any different
don’t agree with the shouts
Muggins
Player Valuation: £60m
Why would we sack Lampard?
Who else on the planet is going to come in with difficult games to go and sort it?
And even if someone else did come in, and we still get relegated which is nailed on in my view, what will the club do? Sack that manager in 8/9 games time? What would be the point in that?
May as well just play it out, and accept the inevitable, or we’ll have Frank compo then the next guys compo, then have to find a manager for the championship..
May as well save the money and hassle.
These players have let the club down so much it’s unreal.
Who else on the planet is going to come in with difficult games to go and sort it?
And even if someone else did come in, and we still get relegated which is nailed on in my view, what will the club do? Sack that manager in 8/9 games time? What would be the point in that?
May as well just play it out, and accept the inevitable, or we’ll have Frank compo then the next guys compo, then have to find a manager for the championship..
May as well save the money and hassle.
These players have let the club down so much it’s unreal.
johnjoeefc
Player Valuation: £30m
It's bewildering how some people just say that no other manager could do better than lampard. I mean for a start a more Conservative manager wouldn't have Kenny in the centre of the pitch at 2-2 taking shots from 30 yards. He would be rigidly stuck to his position trying to maintain evertons 4 point gap from the drop. And because of that we leave big gaps open and see our lead adjusted to 1 point.
I mean there's a start.....
I mean there's a start.....
Toffee_Loaf
Player Valuation: £1m
Our only chance...
johnjoeefc
Player Valuation: £30m
We are actually still considered to be less likely to be relegated than likely by the bookies. Not by much but we are about a 47% chance to go down. But with Lampard staying then yes that will more likely be something around 100%
we’re down the bookies and everyone else on the planet are loving it
Dwight K Schrute
Player Valuation: £35m
Nope. If you go back through my posts, I said that Lampard has made mistakes. For example, for the life of me I cannot fathom why he keeps playing Coleman and Kenny and never gave Patterson a spin. That is not a free pass.
I also laid out the reasons that Benitez has destroyed this side, leaving a damn near impossible job. I certainly didn't expect a huge amount from anyone coming in, unless they had time to get in the players they needed. Thanks to the board, he didn't.
When we appointed Benitez I said to everyone that we would finish about 14th-15th and go down the year after. When I saw what he did to our squad and the kind of player he was after, I went on record to all my mates and colleagues as saying that we would just stay up this year and go down next year - and that was including out okay start. When he punted Dinge and brought in an inexperienced player to replace him, who may turn out to be good, but at the moment is no better than N'Kounkou, I knew we were done.
If we were to stay up this season, it was always going to be because there were three teams worse than us, not because of anything we particularly did. Nothing has changed my opinion there.
If you asked me in January if I thought Lampard could keep us up, I would have answered that it was a huge ask - as I would have done for anyone. If you'd have asked me if I thought he could do a decent rebuild of this squad, then I would have answered probably. My opinion on that has not changed.
You want Allardyce as a sure thing for next year too. But this is a man who lashed money at Tosun and Walcott and freely admitted that he was trying to sign Phil Jones, Jack Wilshire et al. for us in the Summer if he was staying.
Then on the other hand you want Fonseca - who may turn out to be a great manager, but whose style would take months to put in place and could not be played by our current useless ratbags, so would not be able to keep us up now. So why not give Lampard a chance?
I don't personally think anyone could have inherited this squad, in the state they were, picked up further key injuries and suspensions to key players, endure the series of dodgy decisions at the hands of VAR and the PL we've been subject to and done much better. It would be nominal.
Klopp, Guardiola etc. I'm sure would not get a tune out of this lot quickly enough and even a defensive-minded manager would not be able to get this defence, low on confidence and without Mina to start defending properly, whilst also doing enough going forwards to win some matches - because Benitez sold all our creativity.
We chose Lampard, rightly or wrongly. In my opinion, there should have been more managers in that conversation than there were. But hey, that's our utterly inept board. Lampard was appointed knowing he was inexperienced but with one eye on the future. So we give him a chance to do that. There are now no decent alternatives with 9 games left.
If he can keep us up, he'll have damn well earned a crack at next year, which seems to be a large part of what he was appointed for. And if he doesn't, we'll, there's nothing that the club could do now that would change that outcome and the board need to take responsibility for all the decisions that have brought us to this point.
Marius57
Player Valuation: £60m
It's odd because the three teams below us havent really caught us by much in that time.
It's newcastle and Leeds that have turned it round and pulled away.
We were 6 points clear of Norwich with 2 games in hand when sacked, now 7 points with 1 game in hand. (So potentially 10 points and further clear than we were)
We were 5 points clear of Watford having played the same, we are now only 3 points but with a game in hand (so potentially 6 points and further clear than we were).
And we were 8 points clear of Burnley who had 2 games in hand (so potentially only 2 points clear if we had played the same). We are now 1 point having played the same. So they have gained.
Lampard has made mistakes and isnt given a free pass. But the rot was there before he came and he had a day of a transfer window.
He then hasn't had mina which was vital for us to win games according to many posters in benitez era. He also hasn't been able to get a settled midfield out which was most evident last 2 games when we had holgate and iwobi in there. He has had numerous players in and out the team due to injuries and carrying injuries or red cards so can't get a settled team.
I still think we should stay up on home form. Yeah, will be losses coming up, but there have been signs last 2 games. Hopefully with allan and Delph back we can get some structure.
Muggins
Player Valuation: £60m
That’s interesting that the bookies still think that.
I wonder if they have been watching us, and saw us lose to all the teams around us. They must think we will get something against some of the top 6 teams by stepping up. I’d say they’ll review that number about 2:30pm tomorrow.
johnjoeefc
Player Valuation: £30m
Exactly this. I wouldn't swap any Leeds defenders for our defenders. They are all championship quality at best. We have definitely got better players than them and most are injured.
Lampard is simply not getting the best out of Everton and the players he has
It was risked this season before a ball was kicked. The recruitment has been appalling for a long time.
The players and recruitment team are to blame. I don’t even blame Benitez. For me, this season was destined to end up like this when we were unable to spend in the summer. We have had a poor, injury ravaged squad for a number of years. There were key areas that needed improvement, but the legacy of mismanagement prevented it.
Get rid if Frank, don’t get rid of Frank, the result will be the same because the fundamental problem is that the players are nowhere near good enough. Changing the manager won’t alter that.
Kantareller
Player Valuation: £40m
Pretty sure we're getting relegated whoever's the manager. See so many rookie errors by the players on the pitch and noone showing an indication of leadership.
Dwight K Schrute
Player Valuation: £35m
Well said mate.
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