What happened to the friendship between blue and red?

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trebilcock66

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Am I alone in regretting the passing of the era of friendly merseyside derbies? Seems to me that, as the game has changed in the last ten years or so, we've lost a lot of the humour and warmth between the two sets of fans.

The well publicised incidents of last Sunday are not new, they continue a trend that has been happening for some years.

I'm ashamed of the stuff that blue fans were chanting about Gerrard - just as I was disgusted at what happened to Neville and Lescott. Neither of these incidents are worthy of the history of this fixture.

I've said before on this site that the two clubs will miss each other when we move. I've thought it's brilliant that the two clubs are so close in the city and that families (like mine) are split blue/red.

But since Sunday I've been thinking maybe that's all changing/changed and that perhaps we'll be better of a few miles away.

1984 - Milk cup Final. I was on the top deck of a bus and saw women dressed half blue/half red (including the umbrellas). We all sat intermingled and got passionate about our team, to be sure, but without rancour.

(Melancholy sigh) Am I being too traditionalist or nostalgic? Should we be advocating some action by either club? Could we start a movement for decent merseyside fans. (Takes tablet and lies in darkened room)
 

Sadly mate its a different game now and not for the better being an old arse I can remember that the atmosphere was great plenty of banter but not one bit of malice on either side.The other day I was told Im not a real blue despite going for fifty years simply for stating that the Gerrard song is wrong,I know all about their songs but have always put us on a higher level:@
 
I posted an article basically about this in the News section. IMO there has not been a true friendly derby since the Hughes incident. Tonights Echo makes me sick tbh, some how all the really bad quotes are levied against us.....unbelievable. That same rs rag makes no mention of the rs fans threatening to kill the legitimate club owners oh no but we sing something that may well be true for all I know and get lambasted for it...........it is beyond a joke now and it is too late
 
monty said:
I posted an article basically about this in the News section. IMO there has not been a true friendly derby since the Hughes incident. Tonights Echo makes me sick tbh, some how all the really bad quotes are levied against us.....unbelievable. That same rs rag makes no mention of the rs fans threatening to kill the legitimate club owners oh no but we sing something that may well be true for all I know and get lambasted for it...........it is beyond a joke now and it is too late
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Just imagine for one minute their captain got treated like Phil sky and all the meadia would be demanding a points reduction to keep scum like us away from the main teams I just hope some one someday gives that horrible [Poor language removed] what he deserves and Andy Gray voice of the fans my arse hes a F*** red now
 

Most of my mates and family are reds, we give and take [Poor language removed] without acting like melts. They take the piss until I hate them like but its how things are, the nasty [Poor language removed] has no place.
 
Sadly the days of the friendly derby are long gone,never to return if we're honest and i for one am sad about it.

This has nothing to do with us "becoming a force" again (thats still a ways off IMO) but has to do with society in general people have little or no respect for each other nowadays and it'll manifest itself in an atmoshpere like a derby match more intensly than anywhere else.

This sad breakdown has been coming for the last 20 odd years,some sections of our supporter still cant let go of the heysel tragedy and the resultant ban and this has festered to this point now where both sets of suppoerters are no better behaved than the mancs and the london clubs.
 
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they started it....
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*sighs* i dont care who started it to be honest its just sad that what used to be a game that football envied has been reduced to this,its like a bunch of schoolkids trying to get one up on each other all the time.
 

Is it not coincidence that the friendly derby started to deteriorate when 'anonymity' and 'freedom of speech' on internet forums came about?
 
BLUEmin Marvellous said:
Is it not coincidence that the friendly derby started to deteriorate when 'anonymity' and 'freedom of speech' on internet forums came about?
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I think it started to deteriorate way before the internet came along.

But lets not get down too much about it, much of the "friendy" derby still remains, you just have a few who take it way too far.
 
Being from down South (apologies) I can say that it is them with the wrong attitude especially lads of my age, 18ish. My dads a blue scouser through and through and Ive always been brought up to respect Liverpool, ' at the end of the day, we're all scousers' etc. and that the good nature and humour between the two clubs was part of what made the city so special.

Lately though, there fans have started to really piss me off. People with absolutly no connections support them and then shout the odds about things they know nothing about. When some prick started sounding off about my everton shirt I explained to him that it was friendly blah blah blah and he simply laughed and said 'yeah right'. I think being down here they see Arsenal Spurs, Watford Luton etc then look at a map and decide to hate us because we're the nearest. I also think that alot of there 'fans' actually WANT it to be nasty as they feel they are the superior club with many more fans who could 'batter you mate' if it ever came to a tribal all out civil war between the two clubs.

Again you read there forums (sad I know) and all you get is 'bitter blueshite bastards' and 'I hope those mongrels die' which was literally what you got for about 10 pages on one of there derby threads. Little hate fueled one liners. On our ones, you very rarely get that and I genuinly beleive the humour is not lost with the scouse fans from both sides. There support is plagued with nasty people without a clue about the history or tradition of there club let alone ours and I think most decent reds would testify to that. Of course, our support is not completly free of tossers but I do think we dont have them in the sheer magnitude that they have. This is based on personal experiences and just generally comparing the conversations on forums so I can't generalise a whole fan base based on that, but I can have my opinion on there fans swayed by this.

Also this 'bitter' crap they come up with. Its ridiculous. I dont begrudge there success and think ' that woulda been us if it hadnt been for Heysel'. I dont think many Evertonians do. Its just something they came up with incase any Evertonian decided to play the Heysel card.

As for getting all self riteous about the Gerrard song- what about there little ditty about Lee Carsley's kid? I know its not particulaly right to single out a player for abuse but its not as if Evertonians were singing ' we're gonna kill and eat your baby'. It was taking the piss outa him because of a media story which happens in football. No different to what they woulda sung about Cahills brother. And what about there tuneful rendition of a song about the Munich air crash they sing at Utd? I know that this isnt all Liverpool fans, a very small minority if you will but what bugs me is that they get all high and mighty and use it to fuel hatred when there own fans have done and sung much much worse.

As for Gerrard, up until about 2 weeks ago I liked him. Now I cant stand Stevie 'puppy dog eyes' Gerrard. He dives and then says he hates divers. Its not the diving im having a go at him for, our players do it sometimes, but he does it then condems other players for doing it.

Rant over (y)
 
I think the ban in Europe was certainly a mitigating factor in how things are today. I've also noticed that some Liverpool fans are lot more bitter than they used to be. Everything seems to wind these guys up these days. But I think one of the prime reasons for the display last weekend was Benitez. He's been incredibly disrespectful to Everton during the past couple of years. This, I believe, gives the green light to Liverpool's minority of morons to act likewise.
 
It never existed in my opinion, just varying degrees of hate, personally, i loathe everything that they represent, always have, and i always will do.
 

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