Match Thread West Ham v Everton - Preview, Match Report and MotM poll

[normanomates]

I thought you were unlucky not to come away with a draw today.
When you're struggling everything that can go wrong, does so.
The worm can turn very quickly though, fortune favours the brave and all that, play like today and it certainly will.

 

[Old Blue 2]

From watching MOTD2, the one thing I can take from today's game is that against a team as high in the table (and as high in confidence) as WHU, we still created chances. I would be far more concerned if we were not creating chances. The goals and results will come before the end of the season...

 

[harris78]

Is there anyway we can sell as a job lot, the entire team down the local carboot?? Other than Gordon, there isn't one player that I really give a toss about. At least he seems to care, the rest just go through the motions.

Ultimately when I look at this team compared to other seasons when we've struggled, there's no pride, character or leadership qualities to run us through a game. We have a team of church mice with a combined iq to match Forrest Gump.

 

[ToffeeTim]

From watching MOTD2, the one thing I can take from today's game is that against a team as high in the table (and as high in confidence) as WHU, we still created chances. I would be far more concerned if we were not creating chances. The goals and results will come before the end of the season...

If it had finished a draw, no one would have been that surprised based on the flow of the game

But if you make basic individual errors then you turn a positive result into a narrow defeat. These players are incapable of going 45 minutes without making a basic mistake. They need to take responsibility themselves. Only they can get us out of this.

 

[normanomates]

Not much mentioned on Cresswell's kick into the ribs.. lucky boy in my view

 

[AussieToffee11]

I know this isn't the narrative that most fans want to spin at the moment but....

we played pretty well, were unlucky, Iwobi was our best player and we will stay up.

Runs...

 

[james_v02]

He's clumsy - but I think Holgate Iwobi and Doucoure were more culpable.
Holgate for the sloppy free kick, Iwobi for being a brain dead fool and Doucoure being all over the shop.

You know we are in a bad shape when we can point out so many players who didn't play well

 

[degsy]

When Iwobi and Holgate both give a goal away and are Still among the best candidates for your outfield MotM player - you are in a bad way.

If we do stay up it won't be to do with our own efforts.
Baring a miracle, or some sort of on field and/or mathematical fluke we are - mistake by mistake, game by coqued up game, taking ourselves down.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

When Iwobi and Holgate both give a goal away and are Still among the best candidates for your outfield MotM player - you are in a bad way.

If we do stay up it won't be to do with our own efforts.
Baring a miracle, or some sort of on field and/or mathematical fluke we are - mistake by mistake, game by coqued up game, taking ourselves down.

Amazed how many votes Iwobi has had. Technically he is very good also just sloppy and unfocused which cost us dearly yesterday. Not to be trusted when backs are up against the wall. FIFA game has lots to answer for. More to football than looking good going forwards...

 

[smileychap]

When Iwobi and Holgate both give a goal away and are Still among the best candidates for your outfield MotM player - you are in a bad way.

If we do stay up it won't be to do with our own efforts.
Baring a miracle, or some sort of on field and/or mathematical fluke we are - mistake by mistake, game by coqued up game, taking ourselves down.

Good post. For a long time I've wanted key players to develop and shine. It used to be Davies, this season Keane. But these guys are not Gravesen or Unsworth though. Or Cahill or Lescott. They lack fight and concentration, and whilst Coleman moves past his best (a player I still respect, especially after recovering from that horrendous injury, too), we are a mostly 'soft' side now. I can't wait to clear out Tosun, Sigs, Allan (no pace, but can distribute better at times), probably Keane, James, Kenny, Davies (who'll now hopefully bang in some more City-esque worldies to keep us up), and get back in some fighters, youth that wanna play and learn in the same vein as Gordon.

If we stay up, I'd keep the younger players because this experience will bond them and we'll grow that culture that's now present in West Ham in bundles under you know who.

Frank has improved Iwobi, and it was good that Holgate featured more, he's going to do so more in the last 10 games with our injuries...

Good words from Frank after the game this week too. Still time

COYB

 

[Death]

I know this isn't the narrative that most fans want to spin at the moment but....

we played pretty well, were unlucky, Iwobi was our best player and we will stay up.

Runs...

We lost against West ham on goals possession, passes and shots on target before the sending off. But we made it competitive.

Top four is on next season.

 

[Sarnia Kevin]

Reading through the comments I'm confused, just how many gears do West Ham have? They variously "didn't have to get into first", "didn't have to get out of first", "didn't have to get out of third". Perhaps we should be getting some motor mechanics into our coaching staff?

 

[Tree13]

Absolutely spot on, and yet there are posters on this forum who insist the manager is not at fault, its all down to the players

Except it's not spot on.

I can see the argument for bringing on the extra attacker... But Rondon and Dobbin are only mathematically slightly more likely to create a goal.

I can also see the argument for keeping the shape in order to minimise the damage to the goal difference. Bringing an attacker on would make a significant difference to the risk of conceding three or four, because we've seen this group of players crumble so many times before.

BUT if you honestly think that four / five / six / however many managers in succession have been the problem and the players are not at fault, well... there's no helping you.

 

[Tree13]

I’d sell both in a heartbeat for anything over 25m, they flatter to deceive and are not worth anywhere near what they are touted at.

DCL and Richarlison?

Bed.

 

[Cameron Manning]

Except it's not spot on.

I can see the argument for bringing on the extra attacker... But Rondon and Dobbin are only mathematically slightly more likely to create a goal.

I can also see the argument for keeping the shape in order to minimise the damage to the goal difference. Bringing an attacker on would make a significant difference to the risk of conceding three or four, because we've seen this group of players crumble so many times before.

BUT if you honestly think that four / five / six / however many managers in succession have been the problem and the players are not at fault, well... there's no helping you.

The managers have each made mistakes no doubt about it but also no doubt that the players have made more mistakes than the managers compounded by the fact those errors were mostly avoidable and simply self inflicted game after game, the players have put us in the dire position we’re are in and only they can get us out of it.