We need to talk about Nottingham Forest.

[GrandOldTeam]

I mean, you are currently in the midst of a meltdown on here about people not liking Forest’s fat scab grass of an owner

"not on my bingo card"

What next?

"Adulting", "So... I did a thing", “I’m not crying, you’re crying”.

It's not Facey B, babes.

 

[MikeH72]

"not on my bingo card"

What next?

"Adulting", "So... I did a thing", “I’m not crying, you’re crying”.

It's not Facey B, babes.

*dies of cringe*

 

[MikeH72]

Anyway, Nottingham Forest’s owner is a very very fat cheat isn’t he.

 

[allen]

I still don't understand your point, which is why I assumed you misunderstood.

What does bumping off the ceiling mean?

I think it's pretty clear what that means.

For the most part, he's enjoyed incremental improvement at Forest. I'll happily credit him with that.

Eventually, you hit your ceiling where you can't get better.

I think Forest are there now.

That makes it a new reality, and we'll see how he handles it.

So far - I'd argue - not well.

I've said he's done very well at Forest, and you began talking about sustained success in the Premier League and trigger happy ownership.

I make it he's up to his 11th manager in 8 years at Forest.

That's pretty trigger happy.

 

[Timbucktoo]

Anyway, Nottingham Forest’s owner is a very very fat cheat isn’t he.

He`d need to go on a serious diet to be called very very fat.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Am I meant to respect him for cheating his way into the position they are currently in?

Well, no.

But you can dislike someone and their methods but still acknowledge their progress. Whatever way we spin in, so far, he's done a brilliant job at progressing his football club.

 

[John BCN]

Notts Forest have certainly done very well since Marinakis took over. He does however have a somewhat scattergun approach to running a club. Here is a list of his managerial appointments at Olimpiakos during his 15 year reign (albeit winning the League 11 times).

 

[MikeH72]

I think it's pretty clear what that means.

For the most part, he's enjoyed incremental improvement at Forest. I'll happily credit him with that.

Eventually, you hit your ceiling where you can't get better.

I think Forest are there now.

That makes it a new reality, and we'll see how he handles it.

So far - I'd argue - not well.



I make it he's up to his 11th manager in 8 years at Forest.

That's pretty trigger happy.

I won’t. They bought 40 players when they first came up, paying the likes of Emmanuel Dennis £100k a week, overtly breaking every financial rule in the book without a care in the world and then getting a pathetic “punishment” for it.

Two years later their expensively assembled squad bottled Europa League qualification and their fat mess of an owner grassed on another club for a technicality of an issue (that he is also partaking in with another football club in European competition by the way) and they got artificially bumped back up.

Their best player had a release clause triggered this summer and the fat heart attack on legs threatened his family so he had to sign a new deal, and then stood in front of him like a naughty child that had been sent out of class to tell the TV cameras how much he loves him. And then everyone just forgot about the fact the release clause was triggered and he was blocked from talking to the club that triggered it.

 

[MikeH72]

Well, no.

But you can dislike someone and their methods but still acknowledge their progress. Whatever way we spin in, so far, he's done a brilliant job at progressing his football club.

Yeah it’s not really the same if you cheat your way to that progress is it? Is cheating a “method”? Pretty sure if everyone else could get away with some of the crap he gets up to, they’d all do it. But not everyone has dodgy mafia connections so he’s at an immediate advantage.

 

[allen]

I won’t. They bought 40 players when they first came up, paying the likes of Emmanuel Dennis £100k a week, overtly breaking every financial rule in the book without a care in the world and then getting a pathetic “punishment” for it.

Two years later their expensively assembled squad bottled Europa League qualification and their fat mess of an owner grassed on another club for a technicality of an issue (that he is also partaking in with another football club in European competition by the way) and they got artificially bumped back up.

Their best player had a release clause triggered this summer and the fat heart attack on legs threatened his family so he had to sign a new deal, and then stood in front of him like a naughty child that had been sent out of class to tell the TV cameras how much he loves him. And then everyone just forgot about the fact the release clause was triggered and he was blocked from talking to the club that triggered it.

I don't like the man, and I don't like his methods - but he is the reason they are where they are.

I also think he's the reason they will come crashing back down to earth, too.

 

[MikeH72]

I don't like the man, and I don't like his methods - but he is the reason they are where they are.

I also think he's the reason they will come crashing back down to earth, too.

Well I’d like to think that karma would come back to bite cheats, but football continues to prove that it doesn’t. Cheats prosper in this sport, that’s the way it’s gone.

 

[Neiler]

Ah just realised they're both Greek...

Agne and Marinakis together look like a WWF bad guy tag team from the 90s.

Making their way to the ring with a combined weight of 500 pounds "The Greek Tragedies".

 

[Rita_Poon]

I did too for that moment
have since changed my mind

now that its over, its Nuno who walks away with his head held up high, having secured more monies for his fam, and becoming more employable in the eyes of other clubs

May have played a clever hand, clashed with Edu, clashed with the belligerent owner repeatedly, lasted till after the window closed, walks with a settlement, leaves a pressure cooker of expectation. If it's AP that steps in, he'll need to be delivering quickly - none of this second season success stuff.

 

[allen]

Well I’d like to think that karma would come back to bite cheats, but football continues to prove that it doesn’t. Cheats prosper in this sport, that’s the way it’s gone.

Well, I'm no doctor - but I'd say that man has a giant date with destiny just around the corner.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I think it's pretty clear what that means.

For the most part, he's enjoyed incremental improvement at Forest. I'll happily credit him with that.

Indeed. A team on the brink of relegation to league one, to where they are now.

Eventually, you hit your ceiling where you can't get better.

I think Forest are there now.

They are - they aren't breaking into the top 6.

/Shrug.

That makes it a new reality, and we'll see how he handles it.

So far - I'd argue - not well.

Because he sacked Nuno Santo?

Maybe.

Though, time will tell.

He got slated with his last two managerial appointments, and they worked out well.

I make it he's up to his 11th manager in 8 years at Forest.

That's pretty trigger happy.

Nah, Santo is the 7th he's lashed - Warburton who was in place when he joined, Karanka, O'Neill, Lamouchi, Hughton, Cooper, Santo. I think they've got better with every change.

The interim, like us with Unsworth, Ferguson, Baines/Coleman - you wouldn't count.