We need to talk about Nottingham Forest.

Final position

  • Top 4

    Votes: 22 6.4%
  • Other European Qualification

    Votes: 63 18.4%
  • Top 10 outside Europe

    Votes: 57 16.7%
  • Complete capitulation bottom half.

    Votes: 200 58.5%

  • Total voters
    342
And if Leicester had played even close to their true level, we would have been down. So us staying up was nowt to do with the ginger fraud. Their players didn't do the job, ours did -- barely. The same players who managed the equivalent of 48 points the following season.
Again you’re just arguing that managers are irrelevant. Following your logic, if everything is down to the players, then why are you angry at Dyche? Everything bad that happened is his fault but anything decent is the players? Convenient narrative.

Dyche got more out of poorer players than Rodgers did out of better ones in the run in to season end 23, hence we stayed up.
 
The obsession with this manager is off the charts.

He's living in so many people's heads because they've convinced themselves he was the enemy of Everton Football Club...when in reality he saved our arses twice in three seasons from oblivion.

I can only think that these same people punch their parents in the face every time they see them.

It's that whacked.
Today's the day.

Welcome back, gaffer.

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This you ?
 

'You can't keep giving yourself a mountain to climb'published at 14:57 GMT
14:57 GMT​

FT: Aston Villa 3-1 Nottingham Forest
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Nottingham Forest

Nottingham Forest manager Sean Dyche speaking to BBC MOTD:
"Very frustrating for us. We delivered the first half as I wished they would until the last moment of truth. Credit to them, really good turn and finish. The second goal was a basic mistake and we could have defended better. We scored a very good goal and then gave away another poor goal. You can't give basic errors away to teams like this in the Premier League. The mentality is there but you can't keep giving yourself a mountain to climb. Players were switching off to the basics, we have worked on it and shown them but this is the job. I never expected it to be easy when I got here.

On goalkeeper John Victor who went off injured after he was at fault for the third goal: "I think he is injured and he has hurt himself. He knows it is an error but sometimes it happens. Basic errors are hurting us at the moment. We've got a good group here."

On whether there is a pressure to score goals: "They weren't scoring goals in pre-season and at the start of the season. There is a lot of good in the team but you can't keep giving goals away like this."
 
Again you’re just arguing that managers are irrelevant. Following your logic, if everything is down to the players, then why are you angry at Dyche? Everything bad that happened is his fault but anything decent is the players? Convenient narrative.

Dyche got more out of poorer players than Rodgers did out of better ones in the run in to season end 23, hence we stayed up.
Thank god Moyes got more out of mostly those same players last season then or there’s a good chance we wouldn’t be in the PL now.
 

'You can't keep giving yourself a mountain to climb'published at 14:57 GMT​

14:57 GMT​

FT: Aston Villa 3-1 Nottingham Forest
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Nottingham Forest

Nottingham Forest manager Sean Dyche speaking to BBC MOTD:
"Very frustrating for us. We delivered the first half as I wished they would until the last moment of truth. Credit to them, really good turn and finish. The second goal was a basic mistake and we could have defended better. We scored a very good goal and then gave away another poor goal. You can't give basic errors away to teams like this in the Premier League. The mentality is there but you can't keep giving yourself a mountain to climb. Players were switching off to the basics, we have worked on it and shown them but this is the job. I never expected it to be easy when I got here.

On goalkeeper John Victor who went off injured after he was at fault for the third goal:
"I think he is injured and he has hurt himself. He knows it is an error but sometimes it happens. Basic errors are hurting us at the moment. We've got a good group here."

On whether there is a pressure to score goals: "They weren't scoring goals in pre-season and at the start of the season. There is a lot of good in the team but you can't keep giving goals away like this."
I swear I’ve had him say that before.
 

'You can't keep giving yourself a mountain to climb'published at 14:57 GMT​

14:57 GMT​

FT: Aston Villa 3-1 Nottingham Forest
31254ff1-c166-438b-b39b-0f66d35404c4.jpg.webp
Nottingham Forest

Nottingham Forest manager Sean Dyche speaking to BBC MOTD:
"Very frustrating for us. We delivered the first half as I wished they would until the last moment of truth. Credit to them, really good turn and finish. The second goal was a basic mistake and we could have defended better. We scored a very good goal and then gave away another poor goal. You can't give basic errors away to teams like this in the Premier League. The mentality is there but you can't keep giving yourself a mountain to climb. Players were switching off to the basics, we have worked on it and shown them but this is the job. I never expected it to be easy when I got here.

On goalkeeper John Victor who went off injured after he was at fault for the third goal: "I think he is injured and he has hurt himself. He knows it is an error but sometimes it happens. Basic errors are hurting us at the moment. We've got a good group here."

On whether there is a pressure to score goals: "They weren't scoring goals in pre-season and at the start of the season. There is a lot of good in the team but you can't keep giving goals away like this."

Moment of truth 😆

Then the last bit "they weren't scoring before I got here"

Like Groundhog Day listening to him.
 

'We can't make basic errors like that'published at 14:55 GMT
14:55 GMT​

FT: Aston Villa 3-1 Nottingham Forest
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Nottingham Forest

Nottingham Forest boss Sean Dyche, speaking to Sky Sports:
"The whole game-plan was to frustrate them. It's tough as a manger because the players did everything we asked of them in the first half.

"Simple, basic errors. It's unfortunate because we've done that too many times. We gave away the third - a mix-up and mistake. It's a tough one because the players put a lot into that. We can't keep making basic errors like that. We have to change and learn from it.

"Our shape was good. I don't think they hardly laid a glove on us until they scored."

On goalkeeper John Victor: "He will be alright. He has come out too far."

On West Ham on Tuesday: "This is a juggling act. Lots of games. I knew this wasn't going to be a walk in the park. There was a lot of honesty and hard yards. But it's a big learning curve over these four games."
 

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