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We need to talk about Nottingham Forest.

Final position

  • Top 4

    Votes: 22 7.0%

  • Other European Qualification

    Votes: 67 21.2%

  • Top 10 outside Europe

    Votes: 59 18.7%

  • Complete capitulation bottom half.

    Votes: 168 53.2%
  • Total voters
    316

Saint Domingo said:
The only thing that matters. The future of the club was secured in that one moment and the 48 points the following season to see us through the points deductions and the PS&R crisis whilst remaining a PL team.

Give another manager a team in 19th with their best players sold, amid an injury crisis, tell them they’ve got two points deductions on the way, and they have to make profit from all their transfers for the next 4 windows whilst heir rivals spend 10s of millions more on strengthening. See how many want the job, and how many more would actually have done it.

No Friedkins, no new stadium, no Pickford Branthwaite Ndiaye Grealish, double administrations and perhaps even liquidation in the championship at best.

So do I care about the aesthetic of his football when he avoided all of the above?

Everyone only talks in hindsight about the only alternative being a happier path where a different manager came in, played better football and pulled us away with ease. But there was also another, in my view more likely alternative where we could have easily hired a Potter type who took us down and if that had happened there’d have been people on here begging for the outcome Dyche delivered. Like house mortgaging, limb severing, praying to every god available begging. We’d have been begging for the future of the club we now have. Begging.

No one thinks of that when they trash Dyche for a quick laugh though. The bloke can relegate Forest if he wants, it means nothing to me, I wouldn’t care if he quit now and never managed again, the club I support is safe and it’s future secured.
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Writes massive essay about something doesn’t care about.

If you didn’t care what happens next with him, you wouldn’t be in here trying to defend his honour whilst he manages another team.
 

Saint Domingo said:
The only thing that matters. The future of the club was secured in that one moment and the 48 points the following season to see us through the points deductions and the PS&R crisis whilst remaining a PL team.

Give another manager a team in 19th with their best players sold, amid an injury crisis, tell them they’ve got two points deductions on the way, and they have to make profit from all their transfers for the next 4 windows whilst heir rivals spend 10s of millions more on strengthening. See how many want the job, and how many more would actually have done it.

No Friedkins, no new stadium, no Pickford Branthwaite Ndiaye Grealish, double administrations and perhaps even liquidation in the championship at best.

So do I care about the aesthetic of his football when he avoided all of the above?

Everyone only talks in hindsight about the only alternative being a happier path where a different manager came in, played better football and pulled us away with ease. But there was also another, in my view more likely alternative where we could have easily hired a Potter type who took us down and if that had happened there’d have been people on here begging for the outcome Dyche delivered. Like house mortgaging, limb severing, praying to every god available begging. We’d have been begging for the future of the club we now have. Begging.

No one thinks of that when they trash Dyche for a quick laugh though. The bloke can relegate Forest if he wants, it means nothing to me, I wouldn’t care if he quit now and never managed again, the club I support is safe and it’s future secured.
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Any competent manager would have kept us up , the teams below us were so bad
 
Saint Domingo said:
The only salient fact that matters.

His job was to hand us over to new owners as a PL club. He did that.
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He scored the goals and made the saves that kept us up, eh? I thought it was the players who finally found their pride and their form -- form that clearly was enough to easily stay up the following season despite deductions. That and the fact there were three teams both seasons who were absolute garbage, far worse than us. You and the orange one bang on about how he was some sort of carthorse whisperer when in reality we survived in spite of him, not because of him. As the last year and recent results have proved.
 
maccavennie said:
Before the City game there was an interview on TNT where he sat down for a curry and a pint with the presenter. He spent the whole time playing down expectations and saying Forest had been on a good run from promotion then qualifying for Europe under Nuno but expectations had gone way above what they should and now they needed to settle down and the target was to become a top 10 club.

The money spent, the squad at his disposal doesnt matter. Its all about shaping the narrative to fit his skillset and we all know about that.

So, its a case of whether their owner is happy if they languish between 17th and 10th this season or if he expects Dyche to do more with what's at his disposal.
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Was anyone else eating a curry or just him?
 

Forest have been pretty rubbish and uncompetitive again. But as a manager, you can't legislate for that type of goalkeeping howler. A complete moment of madness right after you're back in the game. That's not me defending Dyche either because I think he's doing an overall pretty poor job.
 

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