Way of playing

[Axlswhk]

When we hired Silva, we hired him for a multitude of reasons not least because of the style of play and systems he has used.

On Monday Night Football there was a discussion near the start of the season with Carragher and Neville about a team (I think Arsenal?) where the manager had stuck to his chosen style but some of the players werent able to adapt.

Carragher argued that the manager should adapt the system to suit the players while Neville said the players need to adapt to the system or be sold.

I agree 100% with Neville, after all you dont expect to hire Allardyce and watch his teams play free flowing football...the same applies with Silva.





Gana being out (in my opinion) is 100% irrelevant. The fact is that we simply dont currently have the correct personnel to play in Silvas preferred style yet. Not least the fact that most of our players are worse than Spurs' or others.

In fact I think he has adapted his style of play a bit to cover for how poor some of our players actually fit into it.

As for being Similar to a Martinez team I strongly disagree in the sense that Silva has always set up his teams to counter attack whereas Martinez preferrs the slow build up.

Richarlison for example is his ideal counter attacking player as hes fast, can go past players and score but also able to press and wants to win. The same goes for all his permanent signings.

Where I think we fall down is in a few areas:

1 -- Coleman, Keane and Zouma are not comfortable passing the ball. Compare their ability here with Spurs defence.

2 -- The centre midfield with Gana, Gomes and Sigurdsson is top heavy. Meaning, the DM should be a playmaker able to drop back and bring the ball forward off the defence, instead we have an ultra defensive player here leaving Gomes to be the one to drop deep.

Once Gomes has the ball the player in front of him is Gana who isnt a centre midfielder. In a counter attacking situation this doesnt matter so much because we would look to get the ball forward quickly, but to build play its certainly a weak area.

However in a counter, as Gana would be the one mostly winning the ball hes also expected to get it to our attacking players and he doesnt have the ability.

3 -- The left side of Digne and Richarlison is what Silva wanted. I dont think anyone could find better signings than them for just over £50mil. They are the epitome of the players he wants. Compare this with the right side of Coleman and Walcott -- because they are so limited we cant build play from the right frequently (aside from lumping in a cross) and the opposition targets that side.

LB Digne
CB - Mina
CM - Gomes
LF - Richarlison / Bernard

Those are the players who Silva clearly wants in the team. The jury is totally out on everyone else.

Once he has players suited to his style and system then things will be clear.






I agree with this in the main, however i cant see the value of Gana in systems Silva has used before.

I think what would work is having a deep lying playmaker and 2 CMs in front of him who are box-to-box with good ability on the ball and the desire to press.

Fantasy fifa stuff. Whole piece of argument base on something or some playing staff we don’t have.

There are major flaws in Digne Richarlison combination if you bother to look. It’s not all about players. So whose job is it to improve them?

 

[riddick]

When we hired Silva, we hired him for a multitude of reasons not least because of the style of play and systems he has used.

On Monday Night Football there was a discussion near the start of the season with Carragher and Neville about a team (I think Arsenal?) where the manager had stuck to his chosen style but some of the players werent able to adapt.

Carragher argued that the manager should adapt the system to suit the players while Neville said the players need to adapt to the system or be sold.

I agree 100% with Neville, after all you dont expect to hire Allardyce and watch his teams play free flowing football...the same applies with Silva.
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Again, I think that is a terrible manager. Simply look at Lukaku when Martinez tried to make him a ball playing target man. Lukaku is best when the ball gets played in front of him. Asking anything else is a waste of what they are good with.

A GOOD manager figures out how to tweak his system to get the most out of what is available. That's just fact. Because you don't get 3 years in this league until you get the players to make your system work. You'll rightly get sacked within a year stubbornly playing the way you want whilst the players on the pitch struggle to do something they cannot do.

 

[Zatara]

By the time half your list of "needs" are sought out, a new list of needs will have begun. I wouldn't have a right forward, centre forward or centre back as essentials, nor 3 midfielders...

You think Walcott is top class?
You want to play DCL/Tosun/Niasse to get to the top 4?
Just want Keane/Mina/Jags/Holgate as CBs?
Davies/Gana/Gylfi/Schneiderlin

Id say youre the only poster who rates all those players...

Fantasy fifa stuff. Whole piece of argument base on something or some playing staff we don’t have.

There are major flaws in Digne Richarlison combination if you bother to look. It’s not all about players. So whose job is it to improve them?

So i think the players arent suited to the system and you want to keep the same players...and somehow improve them...

Who can improve 29 year old coleman, gylfi, gana ?

How to improve niasse tosun ?


Its like saying a top manager could improve rubbish players to get them top 4...


Oh, and i dont play FIFA...but ive noticed those that post about computer games use it as some kind of insult lol


The fact is BETTER players are needed....you just need to watch the games to see that, not expect Tosun to become Messi lol

 

[CRIMHEAD]

Silva does adapt to his personnel at least a bit. But if you don't have a single decent athlete in your entire midfield - Gana was out - and most of your other players don't take care of the ball, there isn't much you can do.

 

[Zatara]

Again, I think that is a terrible manager. Simply look at Lukaku when Martinez tried to make him a ball playing target man. Lukaku is best when the ball gets played in front of him. Asking anything else is a waste of what they are good with.

A GOOD manager figures out how to tweak his system to get the most out of what is available. That's just fact. Because you don't get 3 years in this league until you get the players to make your system work. You'll rightly get sacked within a year stubbornly playing the way you want whilst the players on the pitch struggle to do something they cannot do.

Mourinho did the same with Lukaku?

How to tweak the system to protect Coleman vs Son or pretty much any other any player he faces?

Perhaps you play Zouma RB and Mina centre back?

How to legislate for the disallowed goal vs Spurs which would have put us in a very strong position or Richarlisons chance....thats 3 goals we could have been up with some luck.

Pickfords had 2 clangers which have certainly cost us 1 point...perhaps 4 points...what can Silva do about that?

Just the Pickford 2 errors against Spurs and the RS may have cost us 4points. That would have had us 1point off 6th.


Its pretty clear that a team with a weak centre midfield and poor right side isnt going to get into the top 4 so this season top 7 and top 6 with luck (which hasnt gone our way in the main) is fine.

I cant see how you can change this unless you go to Allardyce's negative style...

 

[Eggs]

...yesterday’s ‘way of playing’ was gung-ho and suicidal because it played to the strength of our opponents, but of much more concern was Silva’s inability to change things when they were obviously wrong.

 

[Albro]

You think Walcott is top class?
You want to play DCL/Tosun/Niasse to get to the top 4?
Just want Keane/Mina/Jags/Holgate as CBs?
Davies/Gana/Gylfi/Schneiderlin

Id say youre the only poster who rates all those players...

No.
No.
Yes.
No/Maybe/Yes/No.

I'm realistic. You are a headwobbler. Your idea of recruitment is built on pixies and fairies sitting on a yollycack in wonderland, cobber. It is a zippydooda possible and completely wacko to swim the barrier reef in a day. I mean fair dinkum, you are a character and a ripping fella but unfortunately transfers ain't like chess.

Walcott - Not top class, but right now is good enough. If he had burried his chances, he would be our leading goalscorer. Sure, I'm applying whataboutism but its a phase all strikers go through. And I'd make a proven professional to do the same. Is there a top class player we can bring in? Or even an upgrade for a reasonable price? Perhaps not. Its why Marcel gets paid a dime dozen for hatching the chooks mate. It may take time though.

DCL/Tosun/Niasse - Niasse ain't good enough and for his own good needs to seek more opportunities. I've not seen enough of Tosun, but before the season begun was confident he would do the trick, now not so much. DCL should be our second choice centre forward the same way Llorente is at Spurs. Do we need another ST? Absolutely. Am I happy to wait until summer? Absolutely. Do we need to get it spot on? Absolutely. If nothing is available, or the price isn't right - I'm happy to continue with DCL/Tosun/Richarlison/Walcott as the 9. Because the longer term project has more significance. Probably why we didn't buy a striker in the summer. Again - Its why Marcel gets paid a dime dozen for hatching the chooks mate. It may take time though.

CB's - Yes. I really don't count Jags as a CB right now as his 5th choice. You've left out Zouma, but I think between him and Gomes, its more likely that he will join on a permanent basis, meaning we probably won't add any CB's in the summer. Otherwise it becomes a priority.

Davies - Needs go to on loan or his career will disappear. This seems to be the genuine consensus among most fans.

Gana - Happy to keep him. He is robust and doesn't get injured and is a perfect match against the sky 6. Not particularly fond of using him at home against bottom half tables, as he always plays poorly when he isn't forced to be the Jaguar of the team. Which is fine. But there is room for him in the squad and starting plenty of games.

Gylfi - He is our best player. Literally of more concern to the club is the cost of a meat pie.

Schneiderlin - The moon is made of cheese right? Send him there. I'll join him. As long as Swiss cheese is on the menu.

There is my wrap up for ya Zat. Have a good Chrissy brother. I'll be having a big barbie with plenty of frothies.

 

[mkrudden]

he has to learn to adapt his style then. being a one trick pony gets you nothing in this league

I'm sure I agree with that mate.
Leicester won the league playing one way.
City did last year.
Liverpool got to the CL final by just counter attacking.
Alot of the managers now don't have multiple plans, they just make plan A better.

 

[mkrudden]

...yesterday’s ‘way of playing’ was gung-ho and suicidal because it played to the strength of our opponents, but of much more concern was Silva’s inability to change things when they were obviously wrong.

Out of curiosity, how would you have done that Eggs?
At half time, 3-1 down? Maybe bring on a CB? Bring on Schneiderlin earlier?
I look forward to your thoughts, I just don't see what the magic changes were given our bench.

 

[mkrudden]

You think Walcott is top class?
You want to play DCL/Tosun/Niasse to get to the top 4?
Just want Keane/Mina/Jags/Holgate as CBs?
Davies/Gana/Gylfi/Schneiderlin

Id say youre the only poster who rates all those players...



So i think the players arent suited to the system and you want to keep the same players...and somehow improve them...

Who can improve 29 year old coleman, gylfi, gana ?

How to improve niasse tosun ?


Its like saying a top manager could improve rubbish players to get them top 4...


Oh, and i dont play FIFA...but ive noticed those that post about computer games use it as some kind of insult lol


The fact is BETTER players are needed....you just need to watch the games to see that, not expect Tosun to become Messi lol

If you don't think players can improve in their maturer years, your nuts.

Jamie Vardy being the perfect example.

 

[Zatara]

No.
No.
Yes.
No/Maybe/Yes/No.

I'm realistic. You are a headwobbler. Your idea of recruitment is built on pixies and fairies sitting on a yollycack in wonderland, cobber. It is a zippydooda possible and completely wacko to swim the barrier reef in a day. I mean fair dinkum, you are a character and a ripping fella but unfortunately transfers ain't like chess.

Walcott - Not top class, but right now is good enough. If he had burried his chances, he would be our leading goalscorer. Sure, I'm applying whataboutism but its a phase all strikers go through. And I'd make a proven professional to do the same. Is there a top class player we can bring in? Or even an upgrade for a reasonable price? Perhaps not. Its why Marcel gets paid a dime dozen for hatching the chooks mate. It may take time though.

DCL/Tosun/Niasse - Niasse ain't good enough and for his own good needs to seek more opportunities. I've not seen enough of Tosun, but before the season begun was confident he would do the trick, now not so much. DCL should be our second choice centre forward the same way Llorente is at Spurs. Do we need another ST? Absolutely. Am I happy to wait until summer? Absolutely. Do we need to get it spot on? Absolutely. If nothing is available, or the price isn't right - I'm happy to continue with DCL/Tosun/Richarlison/Walcott as the 9. Because the longer term project has more significance. Probably why we didn't buy a striker in the summer. Again - Its why Marcel gets paid a dime dozen for hatching the chooks mate. It may take time though.

CB's - Yes. I really don't count Jags as a CB right now as his 5th choice. You've left out Zouma, but I think between him and Gomes, its more likely that he will join on a permanent basis, meaning we probably won't add any CB's in the summer. Otherwise it becomes a priority.

Davies - Needs go to on loan or his career will disappear. This seems to be the genuine consensus among most fans.

Gana - Happy to keep him. He is robust and doesn't get injured and is a perfect match against the sky 6. Not particularly fond of using him at home against bottom half tables, as he always plays poorly when he isn't forced to be the Jaguar of the team. Which is fine. But there is room for him in the squad and starting plenty of games.

Gylfi - He is our best player. Literally of more concern to the club is the cost of a meat pie.

Schneiderlin - The moon is made of cheese right? Send him there. I'll join him. As long as Swiss cheese is on the menu.

There is my wrap up for ya Zat. Have a good Chrissy brother. I'll be having a big barbie with plenty of frothies.

Just 3 things;

1 -- So the players we both listed 'most/all' arent good enough and should be upgraded.

2 -- If they arent good enough now and never will be then they have to be sold and better players signed

3 -- I did leave out Zouma and Gomes as they arent our players...

Not even a magician could improve some of ours.

 

[riddick]

Out of curiosity, how would you have done that Eggs?
At half time, 3-1 down? Maybe bring on a CB? Bring on Schneiderlin earlier?
I look forward to your thoughts, I just don't see what the magic changes were given our bench.

They bypassed our midfield with ease. Take off someone and put in one. Doesn't mean it would have worked but SOMETHING would have been better than the nothing he did.

 

[mkrudden]

They bypassed our midfield with ease. Take off someone and put in one. Doesn't mean it would have worked but SOMETHING would have been better than the nothing he did.

So qualify that further mate,
Take off... Walcott? And bring on Schneiderlin?
Thicken up the midfield? And at what point? Half time? As I say, when we were 3-1 down?

These aren't trick questions.

 

[riddick]

So qualify that further mate,
Take off... Walcott? And bring on Schneiderlin?
Thicken up the midfield? And at what point? Half time? As I say, when we were 3-1 down?

These aren't trick questions.

He had to have seen they were ruining us in midfield. Everone did. I can't recall the bench but Sigurdsson off and whomever on might have helped.

 

[Zatara]

If you don't think players can improve in their maturer years, your nuts.

Jamie Vardy being the perfect example.

Vardy started playing well in the premier league during 2015/2016 so 3 seasons ago when he would have been 27/28 after an initial season of 5 goals beforehand, prior to which he had 1 in 2 during their championship promotion season...

Im uncertain of how Coleman, Gana, Walcott and Sigurdsson would improve....theyre all 29/30 so i cant see what they would be able to suddenly improve which they havent already peaked at ?

Those 4 are the classic premier league Everton players like Jags and Baines who we keep for too long and lose their transfer fees whilst paying huge wages.