Vaughans 'Enthusiasm'

[GrandOldTeam]

I have said for some time that his 'enthusiasm' - or stupidity is his down fall.

People say he's injury prone, quite possibly he is, mainly because of some of the daft challenges he goes in for. He goes in for challenges that are 90/10 in the other players favour. Think back to his foot injury and his shoulder as some examples. You could think its a great spirit to have, sheer determination and all that, but theres a line between that and just idiocy.

Now, getting sent off in a friendly, whats that all about? Why is he putting in challenges like that on the road to regaining his fitness? The result didn't bother me in the slightest, but his sending off did.

You could argue its just a young lads enthusiasm, but to me, theres enthusiasm, and then stupidity.

Its not really a pop at the lad, I have a good amount of faith in him. I think he desperately needs to curb his enthusiasm a bit otherwise he is constantly going to be picking up more than a 'few bumps and bruises'. Is it just me who has this view?

 

[ting2004]

I agree, but I don't think it's something you can take out of the player straight away. He'll learn as he grows older to calm himself down a little.

 

[Andriy.EFC]

I'm starting to lose a bit of hope for Vaughan. If he can't calm himself down he will keep putting himself in dangerous situations and will keep getting serious injuries. After so many injuries he STILL hasn't learned a bit.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

I hope he keeps it, if he takes it away from his game he wouldn't be as exciting. Experience and game time will be good for him, the boy can tackle but in the US he wasn't with the pace of the game and was trying too hard to impress.

Rooney has it, Cahill has it and Vaughan has it, there natural winners and at times they can be dirty bastards. The difference is Cahill and Rooney have learned how to control it playing week in week out whereas Vaughan is still inexperienced, he'll learn.

As far as I'm concerned he had every right to go for that ball, It wasn't malicious or stupid it was just mistimed.

The injuries you mention make no sense at all. Against Bolton he was blatantly kicked in the shin/leg, it could have happened to anyone, if he hadn't have gone in for it and [Poor language removed] out I would have been disappointed. His shoulder injury also had nothing to do with him being aggressive, he simply twisted his arm back to much, there was hardly anything in it at all to be honest. So no his injuries have nothing to do with the way he goes in despite what people say.

I say keep his enthusiasm, he's a winner and that can only help us. People forget that he's never had a full pre-season, he's never been 100% fit going into a season. If he completes this pre-season he'll be in alot better condition and will be less likely to get injured.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I hope he keeps it, if he takes it away from his game he wouldn't be as exciting. Experience and game time will be good for him, the boy can tackle but in the US he wasn't with the pace of the game and was trying too hard to impress.

Rooney has it, Cahill has it and Vaughan has it, there natural winners and at times they can be dirty bastards. The difference is Cahill and Rooney have learned how to control it playing week in week out whereas Vaughan is still inexperienced, he'll learn.

As far as I'm concerned he had every right to go for that ball, It wasn't malicious or stupid it was just mistimed.

The injuries you mention make no sense at all. Against Bolton he was blatantly kicked in the shin/leg, it could have happened to anyone, .

Yeah, didn't mean that one. That was on the turn wasn't it? There was another one but I cant recall the game.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

Yeah, didn't mean that one. That was on the turn wasn't it? There was another one but I cant recall the game.

I don't think he's had any more injuries bar the knee injury(training), foot/shin injury (Bolton) and his shoulder injury (Preston). Other than that I can't think of any to be honest.

He's definatly had problems with injuries but none are of his own doing, just unlucky and maybe injury prone.

He's definatly an aggressive lad but he needs to keep it. I remember a young Steven Gerrard, he used to put his foot in anywhere and would crunch people but the more experienced he's got the better his timing has become. It's all about experience really.

 

[Cahill's Metatarsal]

He's an aggressive player & it's a credit to the lad that after spending so long on the treatment table, he's still willing to throw himself in challenges where he's bound to get hurt to some degree. It would be so easy - especially as a forward - to just stop challenging anyone for fear of picking up another knock & I think he's a far better player for having the balls to get stuck in. When he's on the pitch the defenders know they've got even less time on the ball than usual (& you don't get any time in England anyway) & that worries most of them, leading to mistakes & poor distribution.

I hope he keeps the aggression, he'll learn when the time is right to pull out of a challenge with experience & be a lot better for having the aggression than if he didn't

 

[Neiler]

Hel learn to channel it in the right way, he needs expierence, all young players make mistakes he could tone things down a tad without taking the edgeyness out of his game!

That said Cahill wouldnt be half the player he is without his tenacity!

 

[ToxtethBlue]

Agreed, Vaughan has a top mentality, he has the mentality to make it here. I'd rather have him that losers like AJ and Beattie who quite simply couldn't handle the pressure of playing for a club like Everton. They failed because they where bottlers who couldn't seize the moment.

I've heard this about Vaughan before by the exact same people who worship Duncan Ferguson, a player known for his aggression and never say die attitude. That's the typical Everton centre forward, and Vaughan is in the Andy Gray mould.

I [Poor language removed] love it when he puts a centre half on his back with a tackle. I remember the City game last season, we where on the back foot and Vaughan came on and changed everything. Victor had spent sixty minutes getting bullied by Dunne and Richards, Vaughan came on and showed him has to play the old fashioned centre forward role. He stretched City, bullied them and Dunne was getting frustrated with him, the lads a class act, an old school centre forward.

If there's anyone at Everton who I am desperate to see succeed it's him and I'm sure he will.

 

[Sharpys top lip]

You take this away, an your only left with half the player.

In for a penny in for a pound!!

 

[zero]

I love Vaughan but the OP brings up a valid arguement.

When your 2-0 down in a meaningless friendly the last thing you want is to be suspended for the premiership opener because you lost your cool. I agree with most that without it Vaughany is half the player but he doesn't need to use it in a friendly.

We don't want a Alan Smith type of player who is always challenging for balls he has no chance of winning and also running the risk of a yellow or even red card.

He needs to keep his aggression he just needs to learn when it should be used and when it shouldn't. We're on the up top sides don't need the rough them up type of forward look at the top 4 I can't honestly see a striker that is as tenacious as Vaughan. Maybe with experience he will learn to cool it when it's not needed.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

I love Vaughan but the OP brings up a valid arguement.

When your 2-0 down in a meaningless friendly the last thing you want is to be suspended for the premiership opener because you lost your cool. I agree with most that without it Vaughany is half the player but he doesn't need to use it in a friendly.

We don't want a Alan Smith type of player who is always challenging for balls he has no chance of winning and also running the risk of a yellow or even red card.

He needs to keep his aggression he just needs to learn when it should be used and when it shouldn't. We're on the up top sides don't need the rough them up type of forward look at the top 4 I can't honestly see a striker that is as tenacious as Vaughan. Maybe with experience he will learn to cool it when it's not needed.

He didn't lose his cool though, if you think that then your wrong. He mistimed a tackle and that's it, it can happen to any player. He had every right to go for that ball, it was almost 50-50 if you look at it. All it was was a poor challenge.

So isn't Wayne Rooney tenacious, yes he is and he likes to rough centre halfes up. That's one way of doing it and Vaughany fits into that category. Then you've got players like Adebayor and Drogba who bully people with there strength. You definatly need a no nonsense centre forward in your team, Vaughan fits the bill.

 

[HalewoodBlue]

I have said for some time that his 'enthusiasm' - or stupidity is his down fall.

People say he's injury prone, quite possibly he is, mainly because of some of the daft challenges he goes in for. He goes in for challenges that are 90/10 in the other players favour. Think back to his foot injury and his shoulder as some examples. You could think its a great spirit to have, sheer determination and all that, but theres a line between that and just idiocy.

Now, getting sent off in a friendly, whats that all about? Why is he putting in challenges like that on the road to regaining his fitness? The result didn't bother me in the slightest, but his sending off did.

You could argue its just a young lads enthusiasm, but to me, theres enthusiasm, and then stupidity.

Its not really a pop at the lad, I have a good amount of faith in him. I think he desperately needs to curb his enthusiasm a bit otherwise he is constantly going to be picking up more than a 'few bumps and bruises'. Is it just me who has this view?

Couldnt agree more, it seems he doesnt have a level head about him, going in for silly tackles were he comes off worse. He reminds me of Gazza in that semi when he lost it but without the skill

 

[Andriy.EFC]

If he doesn't cool himself down he'll just keep getting injured over and over.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

If he doesn't cool himself down he'll just keep getting injured over and over.

You say that but he's never injured himself because of his aggression or enthusiasm. The Bolton injury wasn't his fault and it could have happened to anyone whereas the Preston game where he injured his shoulder was just jumping up for a header.

I think he's either unlucky or injury prone, his injuries have nothing to do with his commitment and the way he goes in for tackles.

He doesn't need to cool down, he needs to concentrate on his fitness and get himself as strong as possible. The better condition he's in the better he will be.