VAR

[WestStandLower]

To be honest with offsides they have the technology to take it out of human control. A sensor on the ball and position of the last man should clarify an offside in less than 5 seconds and a message in the linesman ear immediately. They love the lines and the drama that’s the whole issue with the decision making and the game right now. It’s a reflection of society and it doesn’t reflect football in a good light. Everything is scrutinised. By the way I’m not blaming people in society im blaming the systems in place which are creating this. Social media has a lot to answer for but the genie is out of the bottle and things will never be the same. Im at an age where Alot of us on here have seen both sides of the coin but anyones below the age of 25 haven’t.

Whilst I don’t disagree with the principal of what you are saying the offside law as it currently is written still involves a certain amount of subjectivity which no matter how smart the technology currently is won’t deal with all potential offsides.

Five simple example because being in an off side position doesn’t mean you are necessarily off side.

Against Fulham Man Utd had a goal scratched off , and rightly so. He didn’t play the ball but his movement whilst in an off side position “ interfered’ with the Fulham defender . Much akin to a goal we had scratched off against Spurs.
Or what about where a defender who mis hits a pass directly or under hits a back pass to a retreating attacker who again is in an off side position but this time is played on by the defenders

The last three are you can’t be offside if you receive the ball direct from:

a corner
a throw in
a corner

Just let’s abandon VAR and stick with goal line technology which I think we all will agree is dam good and possibly develop technology to deal with definitive matters such as was the ball in or out

Heres the law.

Law 11 - Offside

IFAB Laws of the Game

www.thefa.com

In every one of the instances I highlighted the technology would suggest the player was offside and yes the ref could on the pitch make a judgement call but as was witnessed in both the two goal that I point out were disallowed the offence was missed on the field

 

[Timbucktoo]

The problem with VAR and the offside is the amount of time it takes them to decide. Its as if they go out of their way zooming in and drawing lines to check and the longer it takes the more I get the feeling they`re looking for any reason to change the decision on the pitch. The only angle they need to look at is directly across the pitch in line with the last defender, and its not difficult to have a camera running up and down the side of the pitch surely. Give up the zooming in and out looking for a toe nail or a nose hair that might be seen to be the wrong side of a line on a screen and stop disrupting the flow of the game.

 

[Bedfordblue]

Still confused about handball and VAR, prior to Beto’s miss over the bar yesterday, as McNeil was challenging for the header with the keeper and Boly, the keeper tried to punch and it basically comes of Bolys arm which is above shoulder level.
One week it seems that’s a hand ball, another it’s not even considered, also depends if it’s an attacker or defender

NB - I don’t even think it should be a pen but it’s the consistency that’s baffling for me.

 

[Bez2k2k]

Still confused about handball and VAR, prior to Beto’s miss over the bar yesterday, as McNeil was challenging for the header with the keeper and Boly, the keeper tried to punch and it basically comes of Bolys arm which is above shoulder level.
One week it seems that’s a hand ball, another it’s not even considered, also depends if it’s an attacker or defender
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NB - I don’t even think it should be a pen but it’s the consistency that’s baffling for me.

I posted exactly the same thing in the matchday thread at half time. The defender there jumps for the ball but his arm is so so high and if defo hits him, it’s a cert pen, however you could argue they should of had one aswell!

 

[Bedfordblue]

I posted exactly the same thing in the matchday thread at half time. The defender there jumps for the ball but his arm is so so high and if defo hits him, it’s a cert pen, however you could argue they should of had one aswell!

I’d be fuming if one of ours had been pulled back like that, but by the same token their C/H should have walked for two yellows.
Ref probobly didn’t fancy the 2nd yellow because he was conscious of the pen decision…..
Good job they have technology now to be impartial

 

[twoblue]

Whilst I don’t disagree with the principal of what you are saying the offside law as it currently is written still involves a certain amount of subjectivity which no matter how smart the technology currently is won’t deal with all potential offsides.

Five simple example because being in an off side position doesn’t mean you are necessarily off side.

Against Fulham Man Utd had a goal scratched off , and rightly so. He didn’t play the ball but his movement whilst in an off side position “ interfered’ with the Fulham defender . Much akin to a goal we had scratched off against Spurs.
Or what about where a defender who mis hits a pass directly or under hits a back pass to a retreating attacker who again is in an off side position but this time is played on by the defenders

The last three are you can’t be offside if you receive the ball direct from:

a corner
a throw in
a corner

Just let’s abandon VAR and stick with goal line technology which I think we all will agree is dam good and possibly develop technology to deal with definitive matters such as was the ball in or out

Heres the law.

Law 11 - Offside

IFAB Laws of the Game

www.thefa.com

In every one of the instances I highlighted the technology would suggest the player was offside and yes the ref could on the pitch make a judgement call but as was witnessed in both the two goal that I point out were disallowed the offence was missed on the field

Pedantically I’d like to point out that the man can’t be in front of the ball from a corner.
I’ll get my anorak

 

[twoblue]

Villa have used the VAR tactically to start playing a high line and springing an offside trap. It’s well drilled and with VAR they are obviously getting decisions that could have been lost in previous years. Getting something like twice the amount of offsides than the rest of the league

 

[twoblue]

Still confused about handball and VAR, prior to Beto’s miss over the bar yesterday, as McNeil was challenging for the header with the keeper and Boly, the keeper tried to punch and it basically comes of Bolys arm which is above shoulder level.
One week it seems that’s a hand ball, another it’s not even considered, also depends if it’s an attacker or defender
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NB - I don’t even think it should be a pen but it’s the consistency that’s baffling for me.

I think the easiest way to explain it is against Everton that is clearly a accidental ball to hand…
However if it’s against the RS clearly is hand is in an unnatural position

 

[JLW]

Is it going to be another weekend of apologies from these inept morons.

 

[RD2910]

Still confused about handball and VAR, prior to Beto’s miss over the bar yesterday, as McNeil was challenging for the header with the keeper and Boly, the keeper tried to punch and it basically comes of Bolys arm which is above shoulder level.
One week it seems that’s a hand ball, another it’s not even considered, also depends if it’s an attacker or defender
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NB - I don’t even think it should be a pen but it’s the consistency that’s baffling for me.

That isn't a penalty because Boly headed it on to his own arm. That's clear in the IFAB guidelines. The differentiation between deflections and intentional actions obviously cause quite a lot of confusion, but this one's pretty simple.

 

[Bedfordblue]

That isn't a penalty because Boly headed it on to his own arm. That's clear in the IFAB guidelines. The differentiation between deflections and intentional actions obviously cause quite a lot of confusion, but this one's pretty simple.

Highly debatable imho, this is the ball coming in.

 

[RD2910]

No he didn’t, have another look.

Fine whatever.

 

[RD2910]

Highly debatable imho, this is the ball coming in.
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He gets a full flush head on it mate, hits his arm and comes back this way.

 

[Bedfordblue]

He gets a full flush head on it mate, hits his arm and comes back this way.

But how does that reconcile with the guidance on making his ‘body bigger’ but it being in an unnatural position though?
Just had a look the IFAB guidance and you are correct in that there’s a section about coming of a header:

But like I say it seems, contradictory to this guidance:

Almost guaranteed someone (likely us) will have a pen given against them for this at some point if not already.

 

[RD2910]

But how does that reconcile with the guidance on making his ‘body bigger’ but it being in an unnatural position though?
Just had a look the IFAB guidance and you are correct in that there’s a section about coming of a header:
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But like I say it seems, contradictory to this guidance:
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Almost guaranteed someone (likely us) will have a pen given against them for this at some point if not already.

I think the argument is that you wouldn't be making yourself unnaturally bigger to block your own header or pass. As I said, they should be reasonably clear and there shouldn't be a penalty from something like this for anyone, but it would hardly be a surprise.