VAR

[gonetomorrow]

I'm all for goalline technology. We're good at that.

Not VAR though. We're bad at that.

Keep the game moving. It's swings and roundabouts. The best side wins the league in the end and we get on with life, which is more important than football.

 

[siddharth]

More rules only means additional definitive ways to bypass them, the only way forward should be simplifying the refereeing rules. Get them to follow rules that are tacit rather than explicit resulting in open interpretation for additional unnecessary action (clear and obvious error and such, the question becomes to whom). The time-wasting rules are another beast altogether, all they have done for well-coached teams is to tell what kind of time-wasting isn't time-wasting. You then get more nonsense added in when Luton at the weekend gets highlighted for time wasting when Villa who do it more often gets a pass.

 

[judge]

Was great to see them lot get screwed finally yesterday

Aye but the hysteria over it is in danger of going critical. It doesn't matter when one of the 'lowly' teams get a bad decision against them - Wolves v Man U this season, us against Man City last season (or was it the one before - the years of misery just seem to blend in to one another). The way they're going on now, they won't be happy until there's a public floggong.

 

[judge]

At last the voice of reason, Stephen Warnock ( ex liverpool) thinks common sense should have been used. He stated that the ref should have walked to the side of the pitch and blew his whistle. Then he would drop the ball for Spurs to pass thd ball to Liverpool and allow them to score. Can anyone think of a reason why this should not be acted on... ? Oh Steve here's mine could you please back date this ruling of yours so that every other club that has been 'kin shafted by var gets the same deal, thanks in advance. My lord.

Ah the old 'common sense' argument, the last refuge of the intelligence-free zones. So whose version of common sense are we using Mr Warnock? Yours, mine or someone else's. Do you ever wonder why no credible organisations have 'just use your common sense' written into their rules? It's because it impossible to implement in practice as everyone has a different perception of what it is, based on the particular context they are considering. Someone really needs to put these half-wits on the spot when they trot out this rubbish and make them explain how 'common sense' would apply on each occasion. 'Was that nudge iin the penalty box really enough to make the forward fall over? Just use your common sense.'
Morons!

 

[Bristol Blue]

Aye but the hysteria over it is in danger of going critical. It doesn't matter when one of the 'lowly' teams get a bad decision against them - Wolves v Man U this season, us against Man City last season (or was it the one before - the years of misery just seem to blend in to one another). The way they're going on now, they won't be happy until there's a public floggong.

Brighton away and then at home to us next for them. We all know the script for what will happen here.

 

[Dixieslaces]

From BBC Sport

Hooper on VAR duty for Everton v Bournemouth​

The Premier League released its list of officials today for Saturday and Sunday's matches.
Darren England and Dan Cook have not been included following the VAR controversy surrounding Saturday's Tottenham v Liverpool match.
Simon Hooper, who was the on-field referee for the Tottenham-Liverpool contest, is to be VAR when Everton host Bournemouth on Saturday.

 

[mahermi1]

From BBC Sport

Hooper on VAR duty for Everton v Bournemouth​

The Premier League released its list of officials today for Saturday and Sunday's matches.ist
Darren England and Dan Cook have not been included following the VAR controversy surrounding Saturday's Tottenham v Liverpool match.
Simon Hooper, who was the on-field referee for the Tottenham-Liverpool contest, is to be VAR when Everton host Bournemouth on Saturday.

Christ were getting nothing off var, are we ? He's going to want to make amends. Everton should make a complaint, get him shifted, but we know we don't do that kind of thing.

 

[Tel001]

Doesnt matter who it is at one stage everyone making them decisions will have supported a club in their life that they are doing VAR on. I know if it was me i'd give Everton everything. Even a point at home.

I’d be using it to over turn throw ins if I was in charge for our game.

Still lose like …

 

[Tel001]

A good solution is, watch football that doesn't have VAR, simple lol

Well that might not be to long away, it’s not used in the championship is it?

 

[MikeH72]

All I know is that VAR is another tool to be used for corruption. Some teams seem to get the greater rub of the green far more often than is statistically possible. Teams at the bottom are regularly shafted. We're regularly shafted. Wolves are regularly shafted. And while we can laugh about it LFC are regularly shafted. For the integrity of the game to persist there really needs to be an independent review of the entire process. What if we get shafted and it turns out to be the difference between relegation and staying in the PL? We should be siding with LFC on this one IMO. If these mupp3ts at the PGMOL are permitted to go on as they have been over the last few years then the game is truly finished.

How the hell you are still allowed to post on here is beyond my tiny human mind’s comprehension.

The French police were right.

 

[Tel001]

Should be quite easy really.

Everytime the ref gives a pen or red card. He should go over and check the monitor so he can make sure what he has thought he has seen has actually happened.

Wouldn’t help with off sides but at least you know who is making the call.

The VAR should be there to help him get it right.

That way the ref would be in complete control of the game.

 

[BlueStevie35]

All I know is that VAR is another tool to be used for corruption. Some teams seem to get the greater rub of the green far more often than is statistically possible. Teams at the bottom are regularly shafted. We're regularly shafted. Wolves are regularly shafted. And while we can laugh about it LFC are regularly shafted. For the integrity of the game to persist there really needs to be an independent review of the entire process. What if we get shafted and it turns out to be the difference between relegation and staying in the PL? We should be siding with LFC on this one IMO. If these mupp3ts at the PGMOL are permitted to go on as they have been over the last few years then the game is truly finished.

There isn’t a thing as corruption in the game ffs, that’s just the Sky 6 believing something there isn’t because they’re desperate to stay on top

Feel free to side with them, we all know who and what you are anyway so makes no difference

 

[efcfanwirral]

Aye but the hysteria over it is in danger of going critical. It doesn't matter when one of the 'lowly' teams get a bad decision against them - Wolves v Man U this season, us against Man City last season (or was it the one before - the years of misery just seem to blend in to one another). The way they're going on now, they won't be happy until there's a public floggong.

I think I was a bit too hasty in saying that a replay would be fine yesterday BUT I still stand by the general sentiment that Liverpool are powerful and tenacious enough to get this whole thing changed. Its happening every week now, its clearly not a system that's fit for purpose.

Obviously I don't want to see them get some kind of concession just for them, but if they're able to force an actual systemic change in the VAR system (or even a potential removal of it altogether until they can sort it out), that is a win for everyone. Bigger picture than just rivalry on this one

 

[Tel001]

More rules only means additional definitive ways to bypass them, the only way forward should be simplifying the refereeing rules. Get them to follow rules that are tacit rather than explicit resulting in open interpretation for additional unnecessary action (clear and obvious error and such, the question becomes to whom). The time-wasting rules are another beast altogether, all they have done for well-coached teams is to tell what kind of time-wasting isn't time-wasting. You then get more nonsense added in when Luton at the weekend gets highlighted for time wasting when Villa who do it more often gets a pass.

correct.

Now there is time wasting in different ways. Committing highly fouls, clearing the ball further off the pitch, actively playing the ball off opposition to get a throw and break up the tempo , drawing fouls… the taking of the actual gk or throw in doesn’t wast that much extra time.

If a normal throw takes 10 seconds and a time wasting one takes 15 then it’s only a 5 second difference.

It’s the amount of breaks in play that adds up quickly.

And good teams know how to do that.

 

[siddharth]

correct.

Now there is time wasting in different ways. Committing highly fouls, clearing the ball further off the pitch, actively playing the ball off opposition to get a throw and break up the tempo , drawing fouls… the taking of the actual gk or throw in doesn’t wast that much extra time.

If a normal throw takes 10 seconds and a time wasting one takes 15 then it’s only a 5 second difference.

It’s the amount of breaks in play that adds up quickly.

And good teams know how to do that.

And the worst one is goalkeeping timewasting when the ball is at their feet in open play, they just wait for the striker to come out of position and if the passing option is cut out then they just pick it up. And when did terrible goalkeeping become the norm? It feels like the moment Ederson was considered a good goalkeeper we were screwed, goalkeeping errors became exciting 'play' (Consider that VAR call in Forest vs. Brentford). You blink and you miss, reallyyy...