Azzurri
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That’s just not true. He was relatively in control of the ball with a touch that was entirely on purpose. These pictures clearly show it didn’t ricochet off his shin.
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That’s just not true. He was relatively in control of the ball with a touch that was entirely on purpose. These pictures clearly show it didn’t ricochet off his shin.
McBain
Player Valuation: £80m
That doesn't show anything at all. How can you say he's in control when it ends up with our keeper well before he even hits the ground.
Needs MASSIVE improvement. How can you have a ref deny something people are saying "you need to take a look at"?
And Wtf do they need 5 people in a booth to look at replays if they have literally 0 say at all?
And Wtf do they need 5 people in a booth to look at replays if they have literally 0 say at all?
Azzurri
Player Valuation: £70m
It shows that the ball hit Griezmann’s foot like I claimed, and not his shin like you claimed.
Also, I’m not sure if the keeper did have the ball “well before he even hit the ground”, as seen in these photos:
McBain
Player Valuation: £80m
At speed though. Freeze frame wide shots show nada. At the end of the day though - if you think this is a penalty its everything wrong with the VAR process and the rules around tackling.
Looks like some want tackling banned and that's very sad for the game.
Nice to see Lineker not toeing the party line as a fair few pundits, who initially said it was not a pen, eventually came out to support the VAR.
The Aussie player gets a touch on the ball. That touch only moves the ball into the path of Griezmann who then touches the ball. The Aussie player then trips Griezmann without touching the ball.
The fact that it's a follow through from the original tackle or that Griezmann is unlikely to get another touch is irrelevant. You aren't allowed to trip a player just because they're unlikely to retain possession of the ball.
It's a foul in the box and therefore a penalty. Horribly unfortunate for the Aussies but there you have it. I'm not sure it was the correct application of VAR (Clear and obvious error) but it did give the technically correct decision in the end.
The fact that it's a follow through from the original tackle or that Griezmann is unlikely to get another touch is irrelevant. You aren't allowed to trip a player just because they're unlikely to retain possession of the ball.
It's a foul in the box and therefore a penalty. Horribly unfortunate for the Aussies but there you have it. I'm not sure it was the correct application of VAR (Clear and obvious error) but it did give the technically correct decision in the end.
That's rubbish - people being annoyed about it being given is irrelevant.
So if a player slides in with a tackle and makes slight contact with the ball but also takes the man then that is a foul according to you? It’s a contact sport, you are going to catch other players with the momentum of a tackle. Don’t really understand where your saying the Aussie player is meant to go once he touches the ball? He can’t just disappear.
That's an entirely different argument and completely irrelevant to the use of VAR. It's there to help make a decision in applying the rules of the game, not to change the rules of the game.
It depends entirely on the tackle. In this case the Aussie player tackles from behind, gets minimal contact with the ball which then comes back into the attacking player's possession. He then trips the attacking player from behind.
It's true he can't just disappear but it is his decision to judge whether he can execute a legal tackle from the position that he is in without fouling the opponent. Maybe he thought it was 50/50 and it was worth an attempt given the situation.
Yes, football is a contact sport but trips from behind have never been legal. It's entirely valid to say you think a rule has no benefit or actively harms the game but that does not make the decision wrong in this case. The correct application of a rule you view as dubious is still a correct decision.
And no, it is not a foul according to me. In this case it's a foul according to the rules of the sport.
For me it is the same tackle and he first won the ball. Like many other tackles on the pitch you also take the player after touching the ball. The player has made a legal tackle as he won the ball first. Like I said before he then can’t just stop moving.
I don't believe he won the ball as Griezmann took another touch and the fact that he can't stop moving implies he has lost full control which could be defined as careless. A trip during a careless tackle is a foul - Rule 12.
McBain
Player Valuation: £80m
Took another touch or had the ball taken off him due to Risden getting in there first? Griezman has no control of that ball at all.
Your interpretation of it is flawed.
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