Usmanov

[davek]

Curious Dave at you referring to him as a former Uzbeki state chieftain.

Care to explain when he ran any part of the country?

He was part of the inner-circle of the Uzbek president.

 

[bluestevon]

It's not everyone, it's people close to Putin and it means that any of them living in the west (and especially a puppet U.S. state like Britain) will be finding life very uncomfortable with American intelligence communities breathing down their necks.

Yes mate I'm sure he's terrified

 

[bluestevon]

He was part of the inner-circle of the Uzbek president.

Was he Dave?

What year, which president, what was his role?

 

[charlie atkins]

There's a connection there to shredded wheat head's son-in-law Kushner via another company he (Usmanov) part owned (DST USA) said to have been used to funnel Russian state cash to a figure close to Kushner: Yuri Milner. Milner and Kushner were business partners. It's these links Mueller is investigating.

Of course, you could always take the more sanguine view that a former Uzbeki-state chieftain cum oligarch with close links to Putin is completely above suspicion. That's also an option, I suppose.

Who cares welcome mr usmanov

 

[peteblue]

I dont know how the esk has such a bad reputation. He knows more than most here about finances and football clubs and how they can tweak their data to place cash flow into this category rather than that category in order for it to read the way they wish, and how they can stagger payments/forward them from one financial year to the next to create a narrative they wish to present.

He doesn't critique Everton from a hostile viewpoint either, he just presents what he perceives they are doing and what the likely development's will be. But it's an unpredictable game and that leaves plenty of ammunition for detractors to call him out as "lying" and "being clueless".

No mate. He’s not clueless. But he guesses and dresses up his guesses as if they were fact, when they are not. He has no more insider knowledge or experience of footballing matters than many of the folk on here. He understands a balance sheet, again as many on here do, but again he ‘predicts’ based on no other knowledge other than his own opinion. Even in the current piece that you posted he refers to the projections of the previous CEO ‘and his own’ as if suggesting that his numbers based on no inside information whatsoever, other than that in the public domain, carry the same weight as those of a fully informed CEO. He did exactly the same with transfers and ‘models of the new ground’, and many on here were fooled into thinking that he actually knew, when he patently didn’t. I like Esk, I used to like arguing with him, but he does have an unfortunate habit of projecting guesses as if they were fact, and almost universally getting them wrong. No one outside of the Everton Board and the two M’s really has a clue, one or two may pick up on the odd titbits, but really no one should pretend they have some special knowledge and that’s why many on here just disregard any ‘ITK’........

 

[WA Toffee]

I decided to click on "show ignored content" for a laugh. I haven’t been disappointed.

 

[davek]

Was he Dave?

What year, which president, what was his role?

He was Director of the Uzbek Foreign Econimic Association in the late 1970s.

Are you realy building up a case of for the defence for this feller?

Staggering.

 

[Chimpy Glassman]

 

[davek]

No mate. He’s not clueless. But he guesses and dresses up his guesses as if they were fact, when they are not. He has no more insider knowledge or experience of footballing matters than many of the folk on here. He understands a balance sheet, again as many on here do, but again he ‘predicts’ based on no other knowledge other than his own opinion. Even in the current piece that you posted he refers to the projections of the previous CEO ‘and his own’ as if suggesting that his numbers based on no inside information whatsoever, other than that in the public domain, carry the same weight as those of a fully informed CEO. He did exactly the same with transfers and ‘models of the new ground’, and many on here were fooled into thinking that he actually knew, when he patently didn’t. I like Esk, I used to like arguing with him, but he does have an unfortunate habit of projecting guesses as if they were fact, and almost universally getting them wrong. No one outside of the Everton Board and the two M’s really has a clue, one or two may pick up on the odd titbits, but really no one should pretend they have some special knowledge and that’s why many on here just disregard any ‘ITK’........

It's his opinion. He doesn't present it as fact. He argues his position is right, but that isn't the same as saying 'this is defo the case, it will all happen this way'. He never presents his views in that manner.

TBH, I think it;s been shocking how the esk has been treated and (mis)represented...and that's from someone who has more than once argued against him and the line he takes.

 

[Connor]

Welcome, Usmanov.

 

[beachy]

Announce: Usmanov.

 

[catcherintherye]

I dont know how the esk has such a bad reputation. He knows more than most here about finances and football clubs and how they can tweak their data to place cash flow into this category rather than that category in order for it to read the way they wish, and how they can stagger payments/forward them from one financial year to the next to create a narrative they wish to present.

He doesn't critique Everton from a hostile viewpoint either, he just presents what he perceives they are doing and what the likely development's will be. But it's an unpredictable game and that leaves plenty of ammunition for detractors to call him out as "lying" and "being clueless".

The Esk gets a hard wrap because of people largely wanting binary conclusions. Either someone is lying or someone is the fountain of all knowledge. The truth is most people fall between that. Deals break down all the time, it's easy to see in hindsight how Mata's/Witsels legal team ran rings around Walsh/Koeman and that Moshiri was taken in by big name players without fully evaluating the risks. Alongside that he would have been reckless in allowing information to be fed out via his people. That seems a far more likely scenario than an Evertonian risks his hard earned reputation to lie to fans. Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course but thats mine.

His podcast he does is very good and I enjoy his writing.

That being said, while he has always made good points re Usmanov and undoubtedly has more access to information than I have ever had (I have no inside information so thats true of anyone) I think he's been a bit awry on that issue from the start.

I have read his latest two articles you mention. Both make good points but there are important pieces of context missing. His second article seems to focus on making a case for him not becoming a shareholder. He then suggests that he wouldn't have to be a shareholder to either be formally or informally involved. It kind of answers his own question. He doesn't need to formally buy shares and he can funnel money in via a holding company (which was the plan at Arsenal and consistent with how many Russian owners operate). For lots of reasons this would make a lot more sense than him being formally listed.

I also disagree with his interpretation of the words. The analysis is too literal, very few people will say explicitly what they intend to do, but him saying "I am happy to help (everton)" is a massive statement. This coming days after media outlets tell us he has no interest in Everton. His position that "if he needs support" is the critical caveat over making the first part invalid I find unusual as well. It has been widely noted, not least from the Esk himself that the club needs investment and that financial circumstances has made that harder for Moshiri that it was 2 years ago. If Everton are to become what Moshiri promised it is very likely he needs support, especially at the current moment in time.

The other article about where the funding is coming from for the summer appeared to me to kick the problem down the curb for 12 months rather than fundamentally solving the question. The Esk produced a number of informative articles suggesting that Everton would struggle to compete financially and I know privately he felt it would be a real challenge (he's also privately stated things that have turned out to be true). At a critical point of the window we just start going mad with signings and it is dotted around the Usmanov sale from Arsenal who has said he is "happy to help". His position is we found funds but will need the austere summer next season. If a wealthy investor is not making money available that would be true, however I simply don't believe that will be the case as it hasn't been for 3 years.

The final interesting point he has made in the articles is that Moshiri has the ability to find alternative solutions to funds (I think he referenced the company who are behind the Liver Building purchase). I think this is a really good point. Mossier clearly has connections to wealth and capital that goes beyond Usmanov. My suspicion is that it's not an either/or though and we may see both of those options being true.

So yes, I think the Esk's contributions should be read and they are interesting. He clearly has good information from close to Moshiri but sometimes people can be a bit too close to see whats happening outside of that. As with anyone else he has the right to his view which is always eloquently presented, however my interpretation of the information thats in the public domain is that it is far more consistent with Usmanov coming on board than not.

 

[peteblue]

He's been ousted. Nothing surer. He was "in it for the family and long term" up until the heat came on him and the other Putin puppets. I think the burden of argument is at least equally on youand others to explain why he'd leave Arsenal.

Not really. He has played this in a clever manner. He bought Moshiri’s 15% of Arsenal for about £150M which then valued his now 30% stake at £300M ish. Usmanov then offered Kroenke £1Bn to buy his 67% therefore valuing his own 30% at a near £500M and then ‘reluctantly’ selling his shares for £550- £600M and making a very tidy £250-£300M gain for doing absolutely sod all........

 

[The binman chronicles]

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Welcome, Usmanov.

The ability to surprise?...erm no we all knew it was coming. He even went from not selling his shares EVER to not selling out to the American to you know what. That was done tactically so Kroenke would have to think big in terms of numbers to get rid of him, you don't ever give out your full hand in business unless you want to be ripped off. I'm starting to think the esk needs his driving licence revoked because he keeps on missing the warning signs...

 

[Thomasc]

I see Dave’s googling like mad again trying to look knowledgeable on something and failing massively.

Hilarious stuff.