Confirmed Signing Tyler Dibling

[mahermi1]

I hope we get him as well mate but the reality is that the club not caring about the business side of things is what lead us to multiple relegation battles, point deductions and the brink of administration. You can have players that stay for 7 or 8 years without putting the club at too much risk. We just have to deal with things in a business sense better than we used to which is what we are doing from what i can see.

Difference is a business model is a lifetime away from Moshiri's, we are getting better commercial deals, sponsorships, the new ground is a game changer and these deals for players are normally over four or five years. Sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate, could Dibling be worth that gamble ?

 

[Lob]

Difference is a business model is a lifetime away from Moshiri's, we are getting better commercial deals, sponsorships, the new ground is a game changer and these deals for players are normally over four or five years. Sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate, could Dibling be worth that gamble ?

They might take the gamble but they might wait and let it play out because there are still a couple of weeks of the window left and they could get a better deal. Southampton might end up with a player who's head really isn’t in it which will make them more susceptible to a better deal. All ifs and maybes.

I hope we get him, i like the look of him.

 

[DanB90]

So we had a 20% sell on for Broadhead, Chelsea a 25% sell on for Hutchinson, so that seems to be the norm. Why is everyone up in arms about Southampton asking 20% sell on for their prized asset?

Because they already want nearly £50mil for him.

 

[Zatara]

Moyes vindicated for not making panic buys last Jan and that gives me confidence in his decision making.
If we spend 150m it likely means Dibling plus 1 more purchase. More positions resolved.

Next summers cash will be fuelled by toffee doughnut sales, which will go a long way we we are shopping in the trendy young player European market

"Panic buys" ?

How has Moyes been "vindicated" for not allowing the signing of Wesley, a Brazilian international right back with numerous club and personal awards?

What do you mean "more positions resolved" ?

The positions that needed improvement have been ignored.

The idea of paying over the top for a young lad with potential is that you are taking all the risk in the hope that you might one day be able to recoup some of that money back so as to not put the business at risk. Agreeing to also give some of that money back to the club that already received an excessive fee with no risk to themselves would just be really poor business. It's simple really, if Southampton want a share of any profits made then fine, lower the asking price to something more reasonable and less risky. That is why Everton wont agree to the current deals on the table because it would be poor business on their behalf. The high price negates the need for a sell on fee.

The idea is that he becomes world class and takes the team into the champions league.

He has the potential as unlikely as it may be, thats why hes got the English added value on top. Hes got a lot more than those moving for around £35-40mil

I think Wesley was a lazy link,
I doubt we were getting him
We could have had fellows and the winger from Lyon but Moyes pulled the plug.

I thought the same until one of the reliable chaps named Wesley as being of interest back in Jan - i had assumed it was just a link.

May have been Joyce or Bobble. Cant remember but it was an eye opener. Around the same time the Fellows big reveal of only being £8mil.

 

[Lob]

The idea is that he becomes world class and takes the team into the champions league.

He has the potential as unlikely as it may be, thats why hes got the English added value on top. Hes got a lot more than those moving for around £35-40mil

They want 50 million for him plus the sell on fee which is definitely excessive. It is not guaranteed that he is going to become a superstar and take you into the champions league. Hopefully he will but its still a risk per se. The window is still open for another 2 and a half weeks so they might just be waiting to see if they can get a better deal which is definitely possible. I think he will end up at Everton in the end though.

 

[irishtony1878]

Brentford are reported to be spending £42.5m on someone I've never heard of from Bournemouth.
Just get it done Everton, you obviously want the lad, stop the waffling for weeks on end, sign him and move on to the next.
Fannying about because they don't know how much money they will have left to spend, so everyone goes on hold.

 

[BackRow PE6]

Panic buys" ?

How has Moyes been "vindicated" for not allowing the signing of Wesley, a Brazilian international right back with numerous club and personal awards?

What do you mean "more positions resolved" ?

The positions that needed improvement have been ignored.

Buying last window wasn’t about squad building, it was about keeping us up. He did comfortably that so it was the right decision not to buy.

If we spend 150m we bring in 2 more players on a permanent basis revolving more positions (RW I expect plus cover for CDM) This on top of resolving our need for creativity in midfield (KDH) replacing doucs (JG) DCL (KB) back up left back(AA) goalie cover etc..

We are improving

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

Ipswich paid 22.5m for Hutchison mate - not exactly a low fee given he was 19 with hardly any top level games - if any.

He already played a full season on the loan there and been a big success in the championship and scored double digit loans. His signing was arguably much less risky than Dibling is.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

We shouldn’t buy players based on a business deal. I hope he comes in and stays. 7/8 years and is fantastic for us.
I hope our recruitment team aren’t looking at players that they can flip for profit in 2 or 3 years

We absolutely should buy players that make sense from a business perspective otherwise we will go bankrupt or breach PSR again.

 

[catcherintherye]

walking away from a deal because in the future you will make less money than you thought but still make substantial is the most mental reason ever to not buy a player.

I suppose they may think the sell on is too high, and 25% seems too high.

I won't knock them for that, but you have to make a decision. I.e go and get something sorted for someone else.

It's the stalling that is a bit ridiculous in my view. If we havebt got an alternative, Southampton's hand is strengthened.

 

[brieverton]

I suppose they may think the sell on is too high, and 25% seems too high.

I won't knock them for that, but you have to make a decision. I.e go and get something sorted for someone else.

It's the stalling that is a bit ridiculous in my view. If we havebt got an alternative, Southampton's hand is strengthened.

If they haven't got an alternative I think thats unacceptable mate tbh. I'm going to hope and expect that they have, but as with most other deals, it may not actively materialise until late on.

It isn't a surprise that we've got engaged in a protracted transfer battle with another domestic club, there seems to be one of these every year.

You can do little in response when you've got no money but with some backing and with all of the sophistication of scouting and analysis these days, there should be plenty of options.

Nearly all transfers we do will be a result of compromise somewhere, it just seems to me that Moyes in particular is stuck on a particular view as I couldn't believe the process is going such that he isn't being presented with options.

 

[Zatara]

They want 50 million for him plus the sell on fee which is definitely excessive. It is not guaranteed that he is going to become a superstar and take you into the champions league. Hopefully he will but its still a risk per se. The window is still open for another 2 and a half weeks so they might just be waiting to see if they can get a better deal which is definitely possible. I think he will end up at Everton in the end though.

Pay it or move on.

Id personally like to see the club close a challenging deal this summer.

Its easy option after easy option.

Buying last window wasn’t about squad building, it was about keeping us up. He did comfortably that so it was the right decision not to buy.

If we spend 150m we bring in 2 more players on a permanent basis revolving more positions (RW I expect plus cover for CDM) This on top of resolving our need for creativity in midfield (KDH) replacing doucs (JG) DCL (KB) back up left back(AA) goalie cover etc..

We are improving

How have we improved the 2 areas of the team that we have players out of position in?

Would a Brazilian international right back have improved one of them back in Jan?

Its not the enigma code buddy.

I suppose they may think the sell on is too high, and 25% seems too high.

I won't knock them for that, but you have to make a decision. I.e go and get something sorted for someone else.

It's the stalling that is a bit ridiculous in my view. If we havebt got an alternative, Southampton's hand is strengthened.

If this window has shown us anything, its that we have failed to negotiate any deal which appears to be challenging.

 

[Zatara]

If they haven't got an alternative I think thats unacceptable mate tbh. I'm going to hope and expect that they have, but as with most other deals, it may not actively materialise until late on.

It isn't a surprise that we've got engaged in a protracted transfer battle with another domestic club, there seems to be one of these every year.

You can do little in response when you've got no money but with some backing and with all of the sophistication of scouting and analysis these days, there should be plenty of options.

Nearly all transfers we do will be a result of compromise somewhere, it just seems to me that Moyes in particular is stuck on a particular view as I couldn't believe the process isn't going such that he isn't being presented with options.

*Applause*

 

[sanctioned]

Brentford are reported to be spending £42.5m on someone I've never heard of from Bournemouth.
Just get it done Everton, you obviously want the lad, stop the waffling for weeks on end, sign him and move on to the next.
Fannying about because they don't know how much money they will have left to spend, so everyone goes on hold.

We were very closely liked to Outtarra during the Thelwell times.

 

[ToffeeTim]

It's not good at all for the club to get involved in these protracted and lengthy transfer negotiations that end up being played out in public.