Tyias Browning

[chicoazul]

I really doubt Martinez was expecting our right winger to be mobbed by three Liverpool defenders every time he received the ball and not have any outlet to pass to, no. If you want to blame Martinez for not preparing him correctly, fine. My guess is that the backroom staff were expecting Coleman to be available and didn't adequately prepare Browning.

Hahaha ok then. What would I blame Martinez for? Who would have you played at right back instead that could have done a better job?

 

[The Hibbert Agenda]

He was great today
Absolutely loved the performance of that back line
Shame his header deflected away from that one corner. Imagine him scoring. Yoh. Would have been magic.

 

[mlyons]

Hahaha ok then. What would I blame Martinez for? Who would have you played at right back instead that could have done a better job?

Well, yeah, that's the problem, isn't it? We don't have anyone better right now. That's not Browning's fault. We need someone better, though. When Coleman comes back, we'll be far better.

 

[chicoazul]

Well, yeah, that's the problem, isn't it? We don't have anyone better right now. That's not Browning's fault. We need someone better, though. When Coleman comes back, we'll be far better.

Of course. If we compare most right backs against Coleman they're going to look unfavourable hence why we should be realistic, and happy, with Brownings performance today.

 

[mlyons]

Of course. If we compare most right backs against Coleman they're going to look unfavourable hence why we should be realistic, and happy, with Brownings performance today.

We should only be happy with it if it's good, though, shouldn't we? Shouldn't the standard be a little higher than "pretty good for playing out of position"?

Look, if you didn't know anything about any of the players today before the match and rated them purely on how they played today, you'd rate Browning pretty low, wouldn't you?

 

[chicoazul]

We should only be happy with it if it's good, though, shouldn't we? Shouldn't the standard be a little higher than "pretty good for playing out of position"?

Look, if you didn't know anything about any of the players today before the match and rated them purely on how they played today, you'd rate Browning pretty low, wouldn't you?

We should be happy as we've established that he's a young inexperience centre back filling in at right back for a very high profile and pressure game and he played a staunch part in a defence that performed well.

Your second paragraph is hyperbole as it's an Everton forum and I've been trying to tell you for a couple of hours now to take his performance in context. It's why, you may have noticed, absolutely no one is agreeing with you.

 

[BigDunc'sFod]

No, we absolutely shouldn't be happy about it. I'm not going to hold the performance against Browning or write him off for the future because of it, but it really wasn't a good performance. Yes, there are extenuating circumstances, and it certainly wasn't a disaster, but it really hurt our overall performance today not having a proper right back in the lineup.

Is this how you saw it going in your mind?

Martinez: "Eh Tyias, fancy playing in the Derby this week? Have to be at right back, like."
Browning: "Do one brown shoes you bad bell, I'm an inexperienced centre back, I'd rather stay on the bench, mate."

 

[mlyons]

The only context I'm talking about is the match today, though. What other context has any significance when you're talking about how he played today?

 

[chicoazul]

The only context I'm talking about is the match today, though. What other context has any significance when you're talking about how he played today?

Good Lord. Ok let me try one last time.

1 if it was Coleman who played right back today and had little impact in the oppositions final third then you would be disappointed as he clearly has the capability.

2 if a young rookie playing out of position played today at right back and performed well as part of an efficient defence but didn't get forward much as that's not really his capability then most normal football fans would be happy.

How's that?

 

[BigDunc'sFod]

Good Lord. Ok let me try one last time.

1 if it was Coleman who played right back today and had little impact in the oppositions final third then you would be disappointed as he clearly has the capability.

2 if a young rookie playing out of position played today at right back and performed well as part of an efficient defence but didn't get forward much as that's not really his capability then most normal football fans would be happy.

How's that?

I think what you're missing lad is that we need attacking full backs.

Same reason why Barkley is plop because he's not a number 10 and neither scored nor assisted today. What a gash player he is, he'll never make it.

 

[LinekersLegs]

The only context I'm talking about is the match today, though. What other context has any significance when you're talking about how he played today?

But you can judge a fullbacks performance on several things
- were they defensively solid both in open play or at set pieces, which Browning was
- did they contribute to the attack either during open play or at set peices, Ty didn't do much in the former but almost scored a goal with the latter
- how does it compare to his previous performances, which given it is his third ever start in the league is pretty hard to do.

You just seem to be rating him on whether he was good at putting in crosses which seems harsh on any fullback, let alone such an inexperienced one.

 

[mlyons]

Look, we haven't won a derby match in a really long time, and we really should have today. We didn't, and I'm not happy about it. In my opinion, the biggest reason we didn't win is that we didn't get a very good performance from our right back. So, yeah, I'm not happy about how Browning played today. That doesn't mean I think he's a bad player or a bad person or that he needs to be replaced or anything like that, but I don't see any reason to be happy about how he played today.

 

[Fresh Prince of Belle Val]

A very mature performance today, should be proud of himself.

 

[McBain]

@mlyons

Our side is built around attacking fullbacks. When they aren't attacking, we don't do as well. It's not rocket science. Browning never got forward at all, so Deulofeu and Lennon were completely isolated on the right and mostly ineffective as a result.

Again, this isn't a criticism of Browning personally. I'm saying one of the biggest reasons we looked so toothless in the attacking third was because we didn't get the support from right back that Martinez' tactics require to work effectively. That's not his fault, but he didn't do what we needed him to do.

Defend?

Dead set. What ill informed claptrap.

 

[mlyons]

You keep saying he defended well. I thought he was okay, but nothing to get excited about. He had no direct opponent with Liverpool not playing wingers, made three tackles, committed two fouls, lost the only defensive header he attempted, and didn't make any interceptions. No big mistakes, either, which is nice, but it's not like he was a dominant force in the defensive half to make up for his lack of attacking.

And, no, we didn't need him to defend. He was playing fullback against a team with no wide midfielders. We needed him to push forward and make overlapping runs past our right winger. That's how you win against a team playing three at the back.