Current Affairs Tommy Robinson Bailed

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nsno-chris said:
Because it’s pathetic that people will jump up and down on one vile issue, yet let the other slide under the table.

One spouts racism and one spouts homophobia. Double standards from the social justice standpoint. If people are so wound about Robinson then the same should apply for what’s happening in Birmingham.

But they’re being allowed to carry on their protests without any interference from anyone who wants to make “changes” in society.
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I think I've mentioned it elsewhere, but there is opposition to that plan from highly conservative folk from a bunch of religions, whether Christian, Jewish or Muslim, and as @Walken says above, I suspect the vast majority on here think those people are wrong. I had a conversation with one of the Jewish groups opposing the teaching in schools, and they tried to explain that they weren't against same-sex relations, but didn't want their children exposed to things they didn't agree with. Suffice to say, it's not something I agree with, but as an atheist there's a lot about religion I don't agree with, but going against religious views becomes a prickly issue.

Either way, they're just regular Joes like you and I, whereas Tommy Robinson or Ann Widdicombe are striving to enter politics, or have a media platform where a lot of people follow what they say. That's a whole different kettle of fish to a few people outside a school gate as they have much more of a chance of making their views policy.
 
Walken said:
You are asking why a protest at one school isn't drawing as much heat as an internationally reported hate campaign funded by rightwing think tanks? Then stating people are pathetic if they join the marches against Yaxley lennon but have failed to drive down to this one primary school to take action? That's a very very odd line to take, I joined a climate change march this year but failed to join any anti SYL marches, is that pathetic? I can't abide SYL, I also don't agree with protesting outside a primary school to prevent education on LGBT matter. Unless you have canvassed opinion and come to a conclusion that the majority of anti- SYL protestors are fine with the anti LGBT protests then I really question your chosen target on this
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Anti Climate marches and Robinson marches are a different kettle of fish; it’s not even on the same page and is an awful comparison.

Islamiphobia/racist speech - massive attention and counter protests wherever he attends

Homophobic speech - sound, crack on. Not one counter protest

The point I’m making is the hypocrisy of the extreme left. People will pull their hair out in anger and assault one and happily let the other slide right under the table.

Me, I’m not arsed about either one. Free speech prevails unless a direct call for violence is heard, then the platform should be removed by the authorities. But what i really dislike is hypocrisy
 
nsno-chris said:
Anti Climate marches and Robinson marches are a different kettle of fish; it’s not even on the same page and is an awful comparison.

Islamiphobia/racist speech - massive attention and counter protests wherever he attends

Homophobic speech - sound, crack on. Not one counter protest

The point I’m making is the hypocrisy of the extreme left. People will pull their hair out in anger and assault one and happily let the other slide right under the table.

Me, I’m not arsed about either one. Free speech prevails unless a direct call for violence is heard, then the platform should be removed by the authorities. But what i really dislike is hypocrisy
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Ahh so you want people who are doing something to do everything or they are hypocrites, while the centrists can do nothing sit and sneer and pray for the status quo.

What a very misguided and strange attack
 
nsno-chris said:
Anti Climate marches and Robinson marches are a different kettle of fish; it’s not even on the same page and is an awful comparison.

Islamiphobia/racist speech - massive attention and counter protests wherever he attends

Homophobic speech - sound, crack on. Not one counter protest

The point I’m making is the hypocrisy of the extreme left. People will pull their hair out in anger and assault one and happily let the other slide right under the table.

Me, I’m not arsed about either one. Free speech prevails unless a direct call for violence is heard, then the platform should be removed by the authorities. But what i really dislike is hypocrisy
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By the way there are counter protests, police have attended as a result to peace keep, also the local council and school have successfully sought an injunction against the protestors, so you are also wrong about nothing being done. But those evil lefties complaining about tommy eh, what hypocritical scumbags they are to not continuously drive around in a gigantic scooby doo van and tackle every single issue in every single location
 
Walken said:
By the way there are counter protests, police have attended as a result to peace keep, also the local council and school have successfully sought an injunction against the protestors, so you are also wrong about nothing being done. But those evil lefties complaining about tommy eh, what hypocritical scumbags they are to not continuously drive around in a gigantic scooby doo van and tackle every single issue in every single location
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The injunction was issued against the protesters from being around school after teachers were threatened. A third party mediator has been brought in a handful of counter protesters attended for about a week.

By my point stands, hundreds counter protesters attended Robinson’s speeches, yet the same doesn’t apply for something which is just as vile.

And FYI I’m not sneering at anyone, I’m stating a fact and an my own opinion. I’ll just wait for the next social justice call for arms and see how many are in attendance then, I’m sure the scooby do can will make an appearance
 
Bruce Wayne said:
I think I've mentioned it elsewhere, but there is opposition to that plan from highly conservative folk from a bunch of religions, whether Christian, Jewish or Muslim, and as @Walken says above, I suspect the vast majority on here think those people are wrong. I had a conversation with one of the Jewish groups opposing the teaching in schools, and they tried to explain that they weren't against same-sex relations, but didn't want their children exposed to things they didn't agree with. Suffice to say, it's not something I agree with, but as an atheist there's a lot about religion I don't agree with, but going against religious views becomes a prickly issue.

Either way, they're just regular Joes like you and I, whereas Tommy Robinson or Ann Widdicombe are striving to enter politics, or have a media platform where a lot of people follow what they say. That's a whole different kettle of fish to a few people outside a school gate as they have much more of a chance of making their views policy.
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And one of the big issues I have, and probably why there hasn’t been a huge counter demonstration is because of the religious aspect. And like you I’m an atheist, but people are afraid to approach it for the fright of being labelled a racist. From some who has Jewish and a catholic heritage I find the entire thing laughable to openly criticise an idea with grounds or evidence of reality.

But then onto your last point: the religious aspect far outweighs the platform that both politicians have. And it’s not just from an Islamic standpoint either, because both Jewish and Catholic beliefs will almost certainly follow the same thought process. We had the gay bakery incident in Ireland not long ago.

Then we have the labour politician who has now come out in support of the protesters, will he be held to the same level as Robinson.

I find the entire side of the left hypocritical, and it’s gone to far from what I supported. I’m a huge believer in free speech, I said this in the Farage thread and was probably one post away before being labelled a racist. I detest that on one hand they’ll do everything in their power to stop something, then on the other they’ll let things slide.

Anyway my point has been made. I just hope that they apply a level playing field across the board
 
nsno-chris said:
The injunction was issued against the protesters from being around school after teachers were threatened. A third party mediator has been brought in a handful of counter protesters attended for about a week.

By my point stands, hundreds counter protesters attended Robinson’s speeches, yet the same doesn’t apply for something which is just as vile.

And FYI I’m not sneering at anyone, I’m stating a fact and an my own opinion. I’ll just wait for the next social justice call for arms and see how many are in attendance then, I’m sure the scooby do can will make an appearance
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Your point doesn't stand, you've chosen to ignore that there were counter protestors and that action has been taken. Asking why an internationally famous case like SYL invokes hundreds of counter protestors is so redundant as a question I could forgive people for thinking it was rhetorical.

You are also very obvious sneering and have done so in the next sentence after claiming you aren't. As I've said a very bizarre attack in a tommy robinson thread of all places with lots of looping mental gymnastics so you can have a pop at the left, very very odd and I'm done with this.
 
Walken said:
Your point doesn't stand, you've chosen to ignore that there were counter protestors and that action has been taken. Asking why an internationally famous case like SYL invokes hundreds of counter protestors is so redundant as a question I could forgive people for thinking it was rhetorical.

You are also very obvious sneering and have done so in the next sentence after claiming you aren't. As I've said a very bizarre attack in a tommy robinson thread of all places with lots of looping mental gymnastics so you can have a pop at the left, very very odd and I'm done with this.
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I haven’t ignored it though, because in the post you responded to I’ve mentioned the counter protesters. And Robinson only became famous because the so called left wing extremists spend that much time following him around they give him the platform, if they left him he’d have his little group of followers and die off into oblivion.

If you think that people offering an opinion is sneering then I can only apologise because that’s not what I was doing. I just find it hypocritical, 2 views spouting hatred and one seems to be acceptable, or of less value than the other, in the eyes of some

Anyway it’s done, my points been made
 
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